Author: "Lance" <lryahoo@...> Time: Fri Nov 14, 2003 2:57 pm PST Link
Does anyone offer a yoke conversion for RVs that might be applicable?
Before you get out the torches and pitchforks, a quick summary of my
reasoning... moreso than any other RV, the RV10 is a good long-
distance aircraft. It seems to me that a four-hour flight would be
much more comfortable with a yoke than a stick (that silly ergonomics
thang). Also, a yoke would make it possible to use more conventional
front seats.
Another question would concern interior finishing. What do most
people do if they want a little insulation between them and the
outside world? I'm referring to the possible issue of having a single
sheet of aluminum as the cabin wall... that could be one cold wall!
The noise issue could also be a factor. Best answers/plans?
Author: linn walters <lwalters2@...> Time: Fri Nov 14, 2003 4:55 pm PST Link
Lance wrote:
> Another question would concern interior finishing. What do most
> people do if they want a little insulation between them and the
> outside world? I'm referring to the possible issue of having a single
> sheet of aluminum as the cabin wall... that could be one cold wall!
> The noise issue could also be a factor. Best answers/plans?
You can buy vinyl and other materials with a thin foam backing. Should
insulate and sound deaden too. Check upholstery shops.
Linn
Author: "Brian Denk" <akroguy@...> Time: Sat Nov 15, 2003 5:20 am PST Link
>Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2003 18:09:13 -0500
>
>Lance wrote:
>
> > Another question would concern interior finishing. What do most
> > people do if they want a little insulation between them and the
> > outside world? I'm referring to the possible issue of having a single
> > sheet of aluminum as the cabin wall... that could be one cold wall!
> > The noise issue could also be a factor. Best answers/plans?
>
>You can buy vinyl and other materials with a thin foam backing. Should
>insulate and sound deaden too. Check upholstery shops.
>Linn
I used 1/4" headliner foam and leather on the sidewalls of my -8. It does
help insulate from the chill of the outside world, but doesn't deaden much
noise that I can tell. Firewall insulation and a muffler on the exhaust,
along with quality ANR headsets are the answer.
Brian Denk
RV8 N94BD
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Author: "rv7pete" <RV10Pete@...> Time: Sat Nov 15, 2003 5:20 am PST Link
There is a company in Nebraska that specializes in foam...especially
seat foam and sound insulation foam. I had it bookmarked...but then
had a virus and lost it. I've been trying to find it for 6
weeks...but no luck yet. (help please?) According to their web-
site, all foams are NOT crated equal....and based on what I've seen,
I agree.
I intend to do some serious sound insulation..walls, headliner, and
especially floor up front by the exhaust. Yes, mine will be well on
the heavy side.....but I'm building a 'comfort machine' for long
hauls....not just a light go fast one. Since it's not
aerobatic.....I don't feel the need to focus on light. Yes, I will
burn more fuel, have a bit less payload.....but I don't expect to
fly at gross all the time anyway. H0ow much can 6 or 8 yards of 1/2
inch foam weigh? I guess we'll see.
So I'm looking for warm in winter...and quiet ALL the time. I'm
hoping that Van's will have some ideas for headliner installation in
the manual (HINT HINT, Vans) by the time the fuselage plans get here.
I thought about the yoke idea as well...but after a conversation with
salvage yards about mechanisms, weight, etc. The engineering just
plain isn't worth the effort. A fellow builder installed a V-8
engine in his 6A. He told me the other day that it cost him 2 years
of building time and insurance doesn't want to touch him.......he
said in retrospect...he WOULD NOT DO IT AGAIN. I expect that a yoke
would cause the same heartache. I'm looking to be in the air in 2
years...and based on this kit....I think I can make it.
Cheers!
Pete
> Another question would concern interior finishing. What do most
> people do if they want a little insulation between them and the
> outside world? I'm referring to the possible issue of having a
single
> sheet of aluminum as the cabin wall... that could be one cold wall!
> The noise issue could also be a factor. Best answers/plans?
Author: "Eric Sveum" <esveum@...> Time: Sat Nov 15, 2003 7:33 am PST Link
>
>Before you get out the torches and pitchforks, a quick summary of my
>reasoning... moreso than any other RV, the RV10 is a good long-
>distance aircraft. It seems to me that a four-hour flight would be
>much more comfortable with a yoke than a stick (that silly ergonomics
>thang). Also, a yoke would make it possible to use more conventional
>front seats.
I agree. I was *really* disappointed that Vans didn't pursue the side stick
option more.
Anybody that has sat/flown in a Cirrus knows what I mean.
-Eric
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Author: Paul Besing <pbesing@...> Time: Sat Nov 15, 2003 11:34 am PST Link
quality ANR headsets are the answer.
>
> Brian Denk
> RV8 N94BD
Isn't this the truth! RV's are very noisy airplanes.
I would personally save the time, weight, and headache
of designing a sound deading solution, and spend the
money on some Bose headsets. Not to get into a
headset debate here, but mine are worth every stinking
penny. Once you have a pair, you won't ever wear
anything else. Buy 'em on Ebay at a discount if you
wish. I'll have 4 pairs in my RV-10 by the time I'm
done.
Paul Besing
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Author: Chris W <chrisw3@...> Time: Sat Nov 15, 2003 11:35 am PST Link
Eric Sveum wrote:
> I agree. I was *really* disappointed that Vans didn't pursue the side
> stick
> option more.
If the 10 uses the same mechanism as the 6, modifying the existing dual
stick configuration to a center stick would probably be pretty easy.
You will need to be able to TIG weld 4130 or know some one that can.
You could even set it up as a 3 stick system; if the center stick didn't
work out well you could just use the stick in the standard position or
switch back and forth.
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