Author: "fixit11957" <rdebauw@...> Time: Mon Nov 24, 2003 11:59 pm PST Link
Well, after 429.5 hours of my and my helpers time I have finished the
tail cone kit. I have some torque seal on order for the bolts that I
have touqued and don't need to remove again. A couple of notes on
finishing up the fiberglass tips. I found the owens corning pink
polystyrene foam in 24" x 8 foot lenght. I used it to make the molds
for the end caps. I was worried about the polyester resin melting the
foam. The trick I knew about from working on previous glass project
was to lay a layer of wax paper from the kitchen between the foam and
the 9 oz glass. Cut out the foam so it fits snug in the end caps
with it installed on the HS or VS. Work the elevators and rudder
through there travel and make sure there is at least 1/8" clearance
at all times. I used a die grinder and a sanding pad to cup the foam
for clearance. Have the foam flush of just inset into the cap so that
you can lay a piece of mat on the face. Let it set overnight. I used
a long screwdriver and dug the foam away the next day. The wax paper
worked great. It pulled free from the foam and was easy to remove
from the cured fiberglass. I can't fit the tail cone in the house
because it is too big for any doors in my house except the front
door. Tail cone in the livingroom for 9 months or so is not allowed,
I know, I don't understand either. My wife has drawn the line on
that one. I am going to make a crate to hold the tail cone and put
it on the back deck under cover. I will try to upload couple of
photos to the photo section. Randy 40006. Empecone done.
Author: Scott Bilinski <bilinski@...> Time: Tue Nov 25, 2003 7:21 am PST Link
You dont want to use polyester resin on the epoxy fiber glass parts. Vans parts
were made with epoxy resin which is not compatable with polyester resin. At
least thats the way I understand it....Anyone?
At 04:08 AM 11/25/03 +0000, you wrote:
>
> Well, after 429.5 hours of my and my helpers time I have finished the
> tail cone kit. I have some torque seal on order for the bolts that I
> have touqued and don't need to remove again. A couple of notes on
> finishing up the fiberglass tips. I found the owens corning pink
> polystyrene foam in 24" x 8 foot lenght. I used it to make the molds
> for the end caps. I was worried about the polyester resin melting the
> foam. The trick I knew about from working on previous glass project
> was to lay a layer of wax paper from the kitchen between the foam and
> the 9 oz glass. Cut out the foam so it fits snug in the end caps
> with it installed on the HS or VS. Work the elevators and rudder
> through there travel and make sure there is at least 1/8" clearance
> at all times. I used a die grinder and a sanding pad to cup the foam
> for clearance. Have the foam flush of just inset into the cap so that
> you can lay a piece of mat on the face. Let it set overnight. I used
> a long screwdriver and dug the foam away the next day. The wax paper
> worked great. It pulled free from the foam and was easy to remove
> from the cured fiberglass. I can't fit the tail cone in the house
> because it is too big for any doors in my house except the front
> door. Tail cone in the livingroom for 9 months or so is not allowed,
> I know, I don't understand either. My wife has drawn the line on
> that one. I am going to make a crate to hold the tail cone and put
> it on the back deck under cover. I will try to upload couple of
> photos to the photo section. Randy 40006. Empecone done.
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Author: "JOHN STARN" <jhstarn@...> Time: Tue Nov 25, 2003 9:09 am PST Link
My .02 cents and some research from RV & Rocket lists and 'glass "experts" at APV. Polyester resin will bond to polyester partsBUT not to epoxy parts. Epoxy resin will bond to both Polyester and Epoxy. Once you use Epoxy you must continue to use Epoxy. HRII N561FS 160Hrs KABONG Hoping to start RV-10.
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From: Scott Bilinski
To: RV10@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, November 25, 2003 6:35 AM
Subject: Re: [RV10] Tail cone done!!
You dont want to use polyester resin on the epoxy fiber glass parts. Vans parts
were made with epoxy resin which is not compatable with polyester resin. At
least thats the way I understand it....Anyone?
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Author: Sean and Bedford Lally <sean@...> Time: Tue Nov 25, 2003 9:09 am PST Link
Very cool!!!
At 04:08 AM 11/25/2003 +0000, you wrote:
>photos to the photo section. Randy 40006. Empecone done.
Author: "Brian Denk" <akroguy@...> Time: Tue Nov 25, 2003 9:10 am PST Link
>Subject: Re: [RV10] Tail cone done!!
>Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2003 06:35:35 -0800
>
>You dont want to use polyester resin on the epoxy fiber glass parts. Vans
>parts
>were made with epoxy resin which is not compatable with polyester resin. At
>least thats the way I understand it....Anyone?
That is true. They are incompatible. West Systems epoxy kits are the best
out there. Highly recommended.
Brian Denk
RV8 N94BD
RV10 51
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Author: Dave Smith <dave@...> Time: Wed Nov 26, 2003 3:47 am PST Link
Congratulations! That is wonderful! So when does your wing kit
arrive? *grin*
fixit11957 wrote:
> Well, after 429.5 hours of my and my helpers time I have finished the
> tail cone kit. I have some torque seal on order for the bolts that I
> have touqued and don't need to remove again. A couple of notes on
> finishing up the fiberglass tips. I found the owens corning pink
> polystyrene foam in 24" x 8 foot lenght. I used it to make the molds
> for the end caps. I was worried about the polyester resin melting the
> foam. The trick I knew about from working on previous glass project
> was to lay a layer of wax paper from the kitchen between the foam and
> the 9 oz glass. Cut out the foam so it fits snug in the end caps
> with it installed on the HS or VS. Work the elevators and rudder
> through there travel and make sure there is at least 1/8" clearance
> at all times. I used a die grinder and a sanding pad to cup the foam
> for clearance. Have the foam flush of just inset into the cap so that
> you can lay a piece of mat on the face. Let it set overnight. I used
> a long screwdriver and dug the foam away the next day. The wax paper
> worked great. It pulled free from the foam and was easy to remove
> from the cured fiberglass. I can't fit the tail cone in the house
> because it is too big for any doors in my house except the front
> door. Tail cone in the livingroom for 9 months or so is not allowed,
> I know, I don't understand either. My wife has drawn the line on
> that one. I am going to make a crate to hold the tail cone and put
> it on the back deck under cover. I will try to upload couple of
> photos to the photo section. Randy 40006. Empecone done.
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Author: "Randy DeBauw" <rdebauw@...> Time: Thu Nov 27, 2003 12:17 am PST Link
Wings arrive Dec. 29th is my scheduled ship date. I hope that it is sooner. I am going to do some house stuff while I wait. Randy
----- Original Message -----
From: Dave Smith
To: RV10@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, November 25, 2003 10:08 PM
Subject: Re: [RV10] Tail cone done!!
Congratulations! That is wonderful! So when does your wing kit
arrive? *grin*
fixit11957 wrote:
> Well, after 429.5 hours of my and my helpers time I have finished the
> tail cone kit. I have some torque seal on order for the bolts that I
> have touqued and don't need to remove again. A couple of notes on
> finishing up the fiberglass tips. I found the owens corning pink
> polystyrene foam in 24" x 8 foot lenght. I used it to make the molds
> for the end caps. I was worried about the polyester resin melting the
> foam. The trick I knew about from working on previous glass project
> was to lay a layer of wax paper from the kitchen between the foam and
> the 9 oz glass. Cut out the foam so it fits snug in the end caps
> with it installed on the HS or VS. Work the elevators and rudder
> through there travel and make sure there is at least 1/8" clearance
> at all times. I used a die grinder and a sanding pad to cup the foam
> for clearance. Have the foam flush of just inset into the cap so that
> you can lay a piece of mat on the face. Let it set overnight. I used
> a long screwdriver and dug the foam away the next day. The wax paper
> worked great. It pulled free from the foam and was easy to remove
> from the cured fiberglass. I can't fit the tail cone in the house
> because it is too big for any doors in my house except the front
> door. Tail cone in the livingroom for 9 months or so is not allowed,
> I know, I don't understand either. My wife has drawn the line on
> that one. I am going to make a crate to hold the tail cone and put
> it on the back deck under cover. I will try to upload couple of
> photos to the photo section. Randy 40006. Empecone done.
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Author: "rvbuilder2002" <smcdaniels@...> Time: Sat Dec 13, 2003 2:58 pm PST Link
--- In RV10@yahoogroups.com, Scott Bilinski <bilinski@k...> wrote:
> You dont want to use polyester resin on the epoxy fiber glass
parts. Vans parts
> were made with epoxy resin which is not compatable with polyester
resin. At
> least thats the way I understand it....Anyone?
> > A couple of notes on
> > finishing up the fiberglass tips. I found the owens corning pink
> > polystyrene foam in 24" x 8 foot lenght. I used it to make the
molds
> > for the end caps. I was worried about the polyester resin melting
the
> > foam.
All of the fiberglass parts supplied in the RV-10 emp./tail cone kit
are made with polyester resin.
RV parts that are made with polyester resin are always white (gel
coat). RV parts that are not white are epoxy (eather wet lay-up or
prepreg.). Parts in yur RV-10 kit that likely will be epoxy are
cowling, wheel pants, gear leg fairings, emp. fairing, and spinner.
Scott McDaniels
Author: "rvbuilder2002" <smcdaniels@...> Time: Sat Dec 13, 2003 2:59 pm PST Link
--- In RV10@yahoogroups.com, Scott Bilinski <bilinski@k...> wrote:
> You dont want to use polyester resin on the epoxy fiber glass
parts. Vans parts
> were made with epoxy resin which is not compatable with polyester
resin. At
> least thats the way I understand it....Anyone?
> > A couple of notes on
> > finishing up the fiberglass tips. I found the owens corning pink
> > polystyrene foam in 24" x 8 foot lenght. I used it to make the
molds
> > for the end caps. I was worried about the polyester resin melting
the
> > foam.
All of the fiberglass parts supplied in the RV-10 emp./tail cone kit
are made with polyester resin.
RV parts that are made with polyester resin are always white (gel
coat). RV parts that are not white are epoxy (eather wet lay-up or
prepreg.). Parts in yur RV-10 kit that likely will be epoxy are
cowling, wheel pants, gear leg fairings, emp. fairing, and spinner.
Scott McDaniels