Author: Tim Olson <tim@...> Time: Sun Jan 4, 2004 12:03 pm PST Link
Sorry to intrude again, but I'm trying to be complete in my up-front
buying of tools.
First, I'm planning to buy from Avery and get the Pneumatic rivet
squeezer. Is this the exact same squezer that I'd get from Cleaveland?
Cleaveland is $25 cheaper, and I have to order the RV10 empennage
bucking bar from them anyway. Or, since I'm getting a kit, will I be
getting a discount on the $475 anyway from avery?
Second, I'm planning to buy the 4" Thin Nose/No Hole Yoke, and the
Longeron Yoke. Are these the 2 additional ones that you folks have
found handy while building, or am I picking the wrong one with
the Longeron??
Also, Brian Denk has said the following:
-----
An "oops rivet" kit from Avery is also nice. You will probably booger
up a few rivets and wallow out some holes removing them. These rivets
have larger shanks, to fill those holes.
-----
I understand what he is talking about, but I don't see that Avery sells
this. Maybe I should be looking to get the oversized rivets from
Vans or Aircraft Spruce??
Basically, I'm pretty comfortable with the following list so far, and
have resigned myself to the cost, including the added cost of the
pneumatic riveter. You only go around once, right?
Tim Olson #170
Here's my list:
=========================================================================
2X RV Kit
The 2003 Kit includes:
KIT PRICE
$157.50 - 2X rivet gun including the beehive and quick change spring
$12.60 - 150 air tool regulator
$134.00 - 1001 22 inch hand rivet and dimpling tool
$211.50 - 9430 3 inch yoke Avery hand rivet squeezer
$36.00 - 8005 6 pc. squeezer set mix
$153.00 - 8001 deluxe dimple die kit with block holder
$11.25 - 1022 3/32 pop rivet dimpler
$28.80 - 550 3/32 vise grip dimpler
$15.30 - 610 bucking bar
$17.10 - 615 bucking bar
$21.60 - 620 bucking bar
$7.20 - 4704 1/8 rivet set
$16.20 - 4720 1/8 double offset rivet set
$31.50 - 1047 flush swivel rivet set
$17.10 - 4595 back rivet set
$27.00 - 500 fluting plier
$27.00 - 575 hand seamer
$6.30 - 200 cleco pliers (DOUBLE THIS ONE)
$111.15 - 1016 3/32 clecos (325 pieces) ADD 25
$59.85 - 1017 1/8 clecos (175 pcs) (Reduce as above) ADD 25
$3.42 - 2018 5/32 clecos (10 pcs)
$3.42 - 2019 3/16 clecos (10 pcs)
$10.13 - 1012 1/2X1/2 side grips (5 pcs)
$11.25 - 1014 1/2X1 side grips (5 pcs)
$13.50 - 1042 edge rolling tool
$202.50 - 1412 Sioux 1/4 air drill 3600 RPM
$9.00 - 40 #40 cobalt drills (8 pcs) DOUBLE THIS
$7.92 - 30 #30 cobalt drills (6 pcs) DOUBLE THIS
$4.95 - 21 #21 cobalt drills (3 pcs)
$4.50 - 27 #27 cobalt drills (3 pcs)
$3.33 - 19 #19 cobalt drills (2 pcs)
$4.41 - 12 #12 cobalt drills (2 pcs)
$2.97 - 1/4 #1/4 cobalt drill
$4.50 - 12x40 12X#40 extension drill
$4.59 - 12x30 12X#30 extension drill
$8.10 - 1100 drill stop set (4 pcs)
$49.50 - 8105 tight fit angle drill kit
$4.68 - 3140 #40 threaded drill (2 pcs)
$2.34 - 3130 #30 threaded drill
$23.40 - 19360 countersink cage
$7.65 - 1051 #40 countersink cutter (Is This Whats on The
Screwdriver? Get 2)
$7.65 - 1052 #30 countersink cutter
$7.65 - 1054 #8 screw countersink cutter
$4.28 - 330 set of marking pens (3 pcs)
$10.80 - 1246 12 inch flexible steel rule
$1260 - 1007 rivet gauge set (4 pcs)
$4.95 - 1008 rivet length gauge
$18.90 - 58337 Wiss offset snips left
$18.90 - 58338 Wiss offset snips right
$20.70 - 1046 speed deburring tool
$13.50 - 22022 Royal multi-burr tool
$46.80 - 3753 Scotch-Brite cutting and polishing wheel
$21.60 - 710 curved tooth file
(IS THIS the Vixen File????)
$3.60 - 757 3/32 drive pin punch
$3.60 - 758 1/8 drive pin punch
$26.10 - 25500 swivel head pop rivet tool
Items added this year:
$32.40 - 1065 back riveting plate
$27.00 - 10741 jig fixture brackets
$11.70 - 1044 double edge deburring tool
$31.50 - 201 Scotch-Brite cutting/polishing kit
$27.90 - UBX3 Unibit #3 stepdrill
$17.10 - 10765 polyethylene dimpling mallet
$2.70 - 808 Marvel air tool oil
$5.40 - 3507 3M riveting tape
$4.50 - 5575 NoMar reusable cleco boots
Add the 1003 Boelube lubricant ($3.15 w/kit)
Add the 275 Adjustable Set Holder for Pneumatic Squeezers $62.00
Add the 7500 Pneumatic Rivet Squeezer $475
Add the 7795 Quick Change Yoke Pins $5.00
Add the 7729 Set holder spring for pneumatic riveters $2.00 ????
Add the 7760 No-Hole/Thin Nose Squeezer yoke 4 deep x 1-1/4 gap $140
Add the 7755 Longeron Yoke $135
Add the 212 Parker 37 degree rolo-flair flaring tool $79.00
Add the 4710 Single Offset rivet set for / 1/8 cup $12.00
"oops rivet" kit
Author: "Brian Denk" <akroguy@...> Time: Sun Jan 4, 2004 1:26 pm PST Link
>Subject: [RV10] Additional Yokes and pre-ordering questions
>Date: Sun, 04 Jan 2004 00:08:02 -0600
>Also, Brian Denk has said the following:
>-----
>An "oops rivet" kit from Avery is also nice. You will probably booger
>up a few rivets and wallow out some holes removing them. These rivets
>have larger shanks, to fill those holes.
>-----
>
>I understand what he is talking about, but I don't see that Avery sells
>this. Maybe I should be looking to get the oversized rivets from
>Vans or Aircraft Spruce??
What?!? No more Oops rivet kits from Avery? Bummer...it's a nice setup.
Spruce has them. You want the -4 sized ones, in 3.5, 4, and 4.5 lengths,
being the most likely sizes you might need. Of course, you may never need
them, but if you do, you'll need 'em like...yesterday. Yes, the curved file
in your list is the Vixen file. I haven't had to use mine yet, but I've
only just finished the Vertical Stab. Got LOTS left to build.
Brian Denk
Rv8 N94BD
RV10 51
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Author: "Dan Checkoway" <dan@...> Time: Sun Jan 4, 2004 2:29 pm PST Link
>From Van's parts list (http://www.vansaircraft.com/public/parts.txt):
NAS1097AD3-3 RIVETS (LB) $27.31
NAS1097AD3-3.5 RIVETS (LB) $27.00
NAS1097AD3-4 RIVETS (LB) $23.25
NAS1097AD3-6 RIVETS (LB) $26.95
NAS1097AD4-3.5 OOPS RIVETS (LB) $17.20
NAS1097AD4-4 OOPS RIVETS (LB) $17.00
NAS1097AD4-5 OOPS RIVETS (LB) $15.00
NAS1097AD4-6 OOPS RIVETS (LB) $17.00
Spruce also has 'em, at least the 4s:
http://www.aircraftspruce.com/nsearch.php?s=nas1097
)_( Dan
RV-7 N714D
http://www.rvproject.com
----- Original Message -----
From: "Brian Denk" <akroguy@h...>
To: <RV10@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, January 04, 2004 12:20 PM
Subject: RE: [RV10] Additional Yokes and pre-ordering questions
> >Subject: [RV10] Additional Yokes and pre-ordering questions
> >Date: Sun, 04 Jan 2004 00:08:02 -0600
> >Also, Brian Denk has said the following:
> >-----
> >An "oops rivet" kit from Avery is also nice. You will probably booger
> >up a few rivets and wallow out some holes removing them. These rivets
> >have larger shanks, to fill those holes.
> >-----
> >
> >I understand what he is talking about, but I don't see that Avery sells
> >this. Maybe I should be looking to get the oversized rivets from
> >Vans or Aircraft Spruce??
> What?!? No more Oops rivet kits from Avery? Bummer...it's a nice setup.
> Spruce has them. You want the -4 sized ones, in 3.5, 4, and 4.5 lengths,
> being the most likely sizes you might need. Of course, you may never need
> them, but if you do, you'll need 'em like...yesterday. Yes, the curved
file
> in your list is the Vixen file. I haven't had to use mine yet, but I've
> only just finished the Vertical Stab. Got LOTS left to build.
>
> Brian Denk
> Rv8 N94BD
> RV10 51
>
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Author: "Bob Condrey" <bob.condrey@...> Time: Sun Jan 4, 2004 6:34 pm PST Link
You will get a discount from Avery for any items ordered at the same
time as the kit but don't remember the amount. Also, I believe that
the pneumatic squeezer is the same.
Bob
--- In RV10@yahoogroups.com, Tim Olson <tim@5...> wrote:
> Sorry to intrude again, but I'm trying to be complete in my up-front
> buying of tools.
>
> First, I'm planning to buy from Avery and get the Pneumatic rivet
> squeezer. Is this the exact same squezer that I'd get from
Cleaveland?
> Cleaveland is $25 cheaper, and I have to order the RV10 empennage
> bucking bar from them anyway. Or, since I'm getting a kit, will I
be
> getting a discount on the $475 anyway from avery?
> Second, I'm planning to buy the 4" Thin Nose/No Hole Yoke, and the
> Longeron Yoke. Are these the 2 additional ones that you folks have
> found handy while building, or am I picking the wrong one with
> the Longeron??
>
> Also, Brian Denk has said the following:
> -----
> An "oops rivet" kit from Avery is also nice. You will probably
booger
> up a few rivets and wallow out some holes removing them. These
rivets
> have larger shanks, to fill those holes.
> -----
>
> I understand what he is talking about, but I don't see that Avery
sells
> this. Maybe I should be looking to get the oversized rivets from
> Vans or Aircraft Spruce??
> Basically, I'm pretty comfortable with the following list so far,
and
> have resigned myself to the cost, including the added cost of the
> pneumatic riveter. You only go around once, right?
>
> Tim Olson #170
>
> Here's my list:
======================================================================
===
> 2X RV Kit
>
> The 2003 Kit includes:
>
> KIT PRICE
> $157.50 - 2X rivet gun including the beehive and quick change spring
> $12.60 - 150 air tool regulator
> $134.00 - 1001 22 inch hand rivet and dimpling tool
> $211.50 - 9430 3 inch yoke Avery hand rivet squeezer
> $36.00 - 8005 6 pc. squeezer set mix
> $153.00 - 8001 deluxe dimple die kit with block holder
> $11.25 - 1022 3/32 pop rivet dimpler
> $28.80 - 550 3/32 vise grip dimpler
> $15.30 - 610 bucking bar
> $17.10 - 615 bucking bar
> $21.60 - 620 bucking bar
> $7.20 - 4704 1/8 rivet set
> $16.20 - 4720 1/8 double offset rivet set
> $31.50 - 1047 flush swivel rivet set
> $17.10 - 4595 back rivet set
> $27.00 - 500 fluting plier
> $27.00 - 575 hand seamer
> $6.30 - 200 cleco pliers (DOUBLE THIS ONE)
> $111.15 - 1016 3/32 clecos (325 pieces) ADD 25
> $59.85 - 1017 1/8 clecos (175 pcs) (Reduce as above) ADD 25
> $3.42 - 2018 5/32 clecos (10 pcs)
> $3.42 - 2019 3/16 clecos (10 pcs)
> $10.13 - 1012 1/2X1/2 side grips (5 pcs)
> $11.25 - 1014 1/2X1 side grips (5 pcs)
> $13.50 - 1042 edge rolling tool
> $202.50 - 1412 Sioux 1/4 air drill 3600 RPM
> $9.00 - 40 #40 cobalt drills (8 pcs) DOUBLE THIS
> $7.92 - 30 #30 cobalt drills (6 pcs) DOUBLE THIS
> $4.95 - 21 #21 cobalt drills (3 pcs)
> $4.50 - 27 #27 cobalt drills (3 pcs)
> $3.33 - 19 #19 cobalt drills (2 pcs)
> $4.41 - 12 #12 cobalt drills (2 pcs)
> $2.97 - 1/4 #1/4 cobalt drill
> $4.50 - 12x40 12X#40 extension drill
> $4.59 - 12x30 12X#30 extension drill
> $8.10 - 1100 drill stop set (4 pcs)
> $49.50 - 8105 tight fit angle drill kit
> $4.68 - 3140 #40 threaded drill (2 pcs)
> $2.34 - 3130 #30 threaded drill
> $23.40 - 19360 countersink cage
> $7.65 - 1051 #40 countersink cutter (Is This What's on The
> Screwdriver? Get 2)
> $7.65 - 1052 #30 countersink cutter
> $7.65 - 1054 #8 screw countersink cutter
> $4.28 - 330 set of marking pens (3 pcs)
> $10.80 - 1246 12 inch flexible steel rule
> $1260 - 1007 rivet gauge set (4 pcs)
> $4.95 - 1008 rivet length gauge
> $18.90 - 58337 Wiss offset snips left
> $18.90 - 58338 Wiss offset snips right
> $20.70 - 1046 speed deburring tool
> $13.50 - 22022 Royal multi-burr tool
> $46.80 - 3753 Scotch-Brite cutting and polishing wheel
> $21.60 - 710 curved tooth file
(IS THIS the Vixen File????)
> $3.60 - 757 3/32 drive pin punch
> $3.60 - 758 1/8 drive pin punch
> $26.10 - 25500 swivel head pop rivet tool
>
> Items added this year:
> $32.40 - 1065 back riveting plate
> $27.00 - 10741 jig fixture brackets
> $11.70 - 1044 double edge deburring tool
> $31.50 - 201 Scotch-Brite cutting/polishing kit
> $27.90 - UBX3 Unibit #3 stepdrill
> $17.10 - 10765 polyethylene dimpling mallet
> $2.70 - 808 Marvel air tool oil
> $5.40 - 3507 3M riveting tape
> $4.50 - 5575 NoMar reusable cleco boots
> Add the 1003 Boelube lubricant ($3.15 w/kit)
> Add the 275 Adjustable Set Holder for Pneumatic Squeezers $62.00
> Add the 7500 Pneumatic Rivet Squeezer $475
> Add the 7795 Quick Change Yoke Pins $5.00
> Add the 7729 Set holder spring for pneumatic riveters $2.00 ????
> Add the 7760 No-Hole/Thin Nose Squeezer yoke 4" deep x 1-1/4" gap
$140
> Add the 7755 Longeron Yoke $135
> Add the 212 Parker 37 degree rolo-flair flaring tool $79.00
> Add the 4710 Single Offset rivet set for / 1/8" cup $12.00
>
> "oops rivet" kit
Author: "jaybrinkmeyer" <jaybrinkmeyer@...> Time: Mon Jan 5, 2004 2:45 pm PST Link
I also bought Avery and have been quite happy with the quality. One
note... the "kit" didn't come with an angle bucking bar for
those "oh, so tight" spots close to leading edges.
Jay
--- In RV10@yahoogroups.com, "Bob Condrey" <bob.condrey@b...> wrote:
> You will get a discount from Avery for any items ordered at the
same
> time as the kit but don't remember the amount. Also, I believe
that
> the pneumatic squeezer is the same.
>
> Bob
>
> --- In RV10@yahoogroups.com, Tim Olson <tim@5...> wrote:
> > Sorry to intrude again, but I'm trying to be complete in my up-
front
> > buying of tools.
> >
> > First, I'm planning to buy from Avery and get the Pneumatic
rivet
> > squeezer. Is this the exact same squezer that I'd get from
> Cleaveland?
> > Cleaveland is $25 cheaper, and I have to order the RV10
empennage
> > bucking bar from them anyway. Or, since I'm getting a kit, will
I
> be
> > getting a discount on the $475 anyway from avery?
> > Second, I'm planning to buy the 4" Thin Nose/No Hole Yoke, and
the
> > Longeron Yoke. Are these the 2 additional ones that you folks
have
> > found handy while building, or am I picking the wrong one with
> > the Longeron??
> >
> > Also, Brian Denk has said the following:
> > -----
> > An "oops rivet" kit from Avery is also nice. You will probably
> booger
> > up a few rivets and wallow out some holes removing them. These
> rivets
> > have larger shanks, to fill those holes.
> > -----
> >
> > I understand what he is talking about, but I don't see that
Avery
> sells
> > this. Maybe I should be looking to get the oversized rivets from
> > Vans or Aircraft Spruce??
> > Basically, I'm pretty comfortable with the following list so
far,
> and
> > have resigned myself to the cost, including the added cost of
the
> > pneumatic riveter. You only go around once, right?
> >
> > Tim Olson #170
> >
> > Here's my list:
=====================================================================
=
> ===
> > 2X RV Kit
> >
> > The 2003 Kit includes:
> >
> > KIT PRICE
> > $157.50 - 2X rivet gun including the beehive and quick change
spring
> > $12.60 - 150 air tool regulator
> > $134.00 - 1001 22 inch hand rivet and dimpling tool
> > $211.50 - 9430 3 inch yoke Avery hand rivet squeezer
> > $36.00 - 8005 6 pc. squeezer set mix
> > $153.00 - 8001 deluxe dimple die kit with block holder
> > $11.25 - 1022 3/32 pop rivet dimpler
> > $28.80 - 550 3/32 vise grip dimpler
> > $15.30 - 610 bucking bar
> > $17.10 - 615 bucking bar
> > $21.60 - 620 bucking bar
> > $7.20 - 4704 1/8 rivet set
> > $16.20 - 4720 1/8 double offset rivet set
> > $31.50 - 1047 flush swivel rivet set
> > $17.10 - 4595 back rivet set
> > $27.00 - 500 fluting plier
> > $27.00 - 575 hand seamer
> > $6.30 - 200 cleco pliers (DOUBLE THIS ONE)
> > $111.15 - 1016 3/32 clecos (325 pieces) ADD 25
> > $59.85 - 1017 1/8 clecos (175 pcs) (Reduce as above) ADD 25
> > $3.42 - 2018 5/32 clecos (10 pcs)
> > $3.42 - 2019 3/16 clecos (10 pcs)
> > $10.13 - 1012 1/2X1/2 side grips (5 pcs)
> > $11.25 - 1014 1/2X1 side grips (5 pcs)
> > $13.50 - 1042 edge rolling tool
> > $202.50 - 1412 Sioux 1/4 air drill 3600 RPM
> > $9.00 - 40 #40 cobalt drills (8 pcs) DOUBLE THIS
> > $7.92 - 30 #30 cobalt drills (6 pcs) DOUBLE THIS
> > $4.95 - 21 #21 cobalt drills (3 pcs)
> > $4.50 - 27 #27 cobalt drills (3 pcs)
> > $3.33 - 19 #19 cobalt drills (2 pcs)
> > $4.41 - 12 #12 cobalt drills (2 pcs)
> > $2.97 - 1/4 #1/4 cobalt drill
> > $4.50 - 12x40 12X#40 extension drill
> > $4.59 - 12x30 12X#30 extension drill
> > $8.10 - 1100 drill stop set (4 pcs)
> > $49.50 - 8105 tight fit angle drill kit
> > $4.68 - 3140 #40 threaded drill (2 pcs)
> > $2.34 - 3130 #30 threaded drill
> > $23.40 - 19360 countersink cage
> > $7.65 - 1051 #40 countersink cutter (Is This What's on The
> > Screwdriver? Get 2)
> > $7.65 - 1052 #30 countersink cutter
> > $7.65 - 1054 #8 screw countersink cutter
> > $4.28 - 330 set of marking pens (3 pcs)
> > $10.80 - 1246 12 inch flexible steel rule
> > $1260 - 1007 rivet gauge set (4 pcs)
> > $4.95 - 1008 rivet length gauge
> > $18.90 - 58337 Wiss offset snips left
> > $18.90 - 58338 Wiss offset snips right
> > $20.70 - 1046 speed deburring tool
> > $13.50 - 22022 Royal multi-burr tool
> > $46.80 - 3753 Scotch-Brite cutting and polishing wheel
> > $21.60 - 710 curved tooth file
(IS THIS the Vixen File????)
> > $3.60 - 757 3/32 drive pin punch
> > $3.60 - 758 1/8 drive pin punch
> > $26.10 - 25500 swivel head pop rivet tool
> >
> > Items added this year:
> > $32.40 - 1065 back riveting plate
> > $27.00 - 10741 jig fixture brackets
> > $11.70 - 1044 double edge deburring tool
> > $31.50 - 201 Scotch-Brite cutting/polishing kit
> > $27.90 - UBX3 Unibit #3 stepdrill
> > $17.10 - 10765 polyethylene dimpling mallet
> > $2.70 - 808 Marvel air tool oil
> > $5.40 - 3507 3M riveting tape
> > $4.50 - 5575 NoMar reusable cleco boots
> > Add the 1003 Boelube lubricant ($3.15 w/kit)
> > Add the 275 Adjustable Set Holder for Pneumatic Squeezers $62.00
> > Add the 7500 Pneumatic Rivet Squeezer $475
> > Add the 7795 Quick Change Yoke Pins $5.00
> > Add the 7729 Set holder spring for pneumatic riveters
$2.00 ????
> > Add the 7760 No-Hole/Thin Nose Squeezer yoke 4" deep x 1-1/4"
gap
> $140
> > Add the 7755 Longeron Yoke $135
> > Add the 212 Parker 37 degree rolo-flair flaring tool $79.00
> > Add the 4710 Single Offset rivet set for / 1/8" cup $12.00
> >
> > "oops rivet" kit