Author: Tim Olson <tim@...> Time: Mon Jan 5, 2004 2:42 pm PST Link
Hi all,
After all the questions I had I thought I'd post the results here for
the archives. Hopefully it'll help someone else in the future.
The following is a complete listing of the tools that I've ordered,
along with the source, and approximate cost. I won't even try to
re-price all the tools in the kit, just give an approximate total.
Take note that I read the post just before this one from Pete, and
quickly called Avery back and upped my cleco count to 550 3/32" and
250 1/8".
>From Avery (3X RV Kit Plus many extras)
---------------------------------------
$157.50 - 3X rivet gun including the beehive and quick change spring
$12.60 - 150 air tool regulator
$134.00 - 1001 22 inch hand rivet and dimpling tool
$211.50 - 9430 3 inch yoke Avery hand rivet squeezer
$36.00 - 8005 6 pc. squeezer set mix
$153.00 - 8001 deluxe dimple die kit with block holder
$11.25 - 1022 3/32 pop rivet dimpler
$28.80 - 550 3/32 vise grip dimpler
$15.30 - 610 bucking bar
$17.10 - 615 bucking bar
$21.60 - 620 bucking bar
$7.20 - 4704 1/8 rivet set
$16.20 - 4720 1/8 double offset rivet set
$31.50 - 1047 flush swivel rivet set
$17.10 - 4595 back rivet set
$27.00 - 500 fluting plier
$27.00 - 575 hand seamer
$12.60 - 200 cleco pliers (2 Pair $6.30 ea) Doubled Kit Qty.
$188.10 - 1016 3/32 clecos (550 pcs (was 225 extra))
$85.50 - 1017 1/8 clecos (250 pcs (was 75 extra))
$3.42 - 2018 5/32 clecos (10 pcs)
$3.42 - 2019 3/16 clecos (10 pcs)
$10.13 - 1012 1/2X1/2 side grips (5 pcs)
$11.25 - 1014 1/2X1 side grips (5 pcs)
$13.50 - 1042 edge rolling tool
$202.50 - 1412 Sioux 1/4 air drill 3600 RPM
$18.00 - 40 #40 cobalt drills (16 pcs) Doubled Kit Qty.
$15.84 - 30 #30 cobalt drills (12 pcs) Doubled Kit Qty.
$4.95 - 21 #21 cobalt drills (3 pcs)
$4.50 - 27 #27 cobalt drills (3 pcs)
$3.33 - 19 #19 cobalt drills (2 pcs)
$4.41 - 12 #12 cobalt drills (2 pcs)
$2.97 - 1/4 #1/4 cobalt drill
$4.50 - 12x40 12X#40 extension drill
$4.59 - 12x30 12X#30 extension drill
$8.10 - 1100 drill stop set (4 pcs)
$4.68 - 3140 #40 threaded drill (2 pcs)
$2.34 - 3130 #30 threaded drill
$23.40 - 19360 countersink cage
$7.65 - 1051 #40 countersink cutter
$7.65 - 1052 #30 countersink cutter
$7.65 - 1054 #8 screw countersink cutter
$10.80 - 1246 12 inch flexible steel rule
$1260 - 1007 rivet gauge set (4 pcs)
$4.95 - 1008 rivet length gauge
$20.70 - 1046 speed deburring tool
$13.50 - 22022 Royal multi-burr tool
$46.80 - 3753 Scotch-Brite cutting and polishing wheel
$21.60 - 710 curved tooth file
$3.60 - 757 3/32 drive pin punch
$3.60 - 758 1/8 drive pin punch
$26.10 - 25500 swivel head pop rivet tool
$32.40 - 1065 back riveting plate
$11.70 - 1044 double edge deburring tool
$31.50 - 201 Scotch-Brite cutting/polishing kit
$27.90 - UBX3 Unibit #3 stepdrill
$17.10 - 10765 polyethylene dimpling mallet
$5.40 - 3507 3M riveting tape
$4.50 - 5575 NoMar reusable cleco boots
$62.00 274 Adjustable Set Holder for Pneumatic Squeezers (less 10%)
$21.00 - 59010 Hex adapter for deburring / countersinking (with #1050
cutter) (less 10%)
$610.00 - 7555 Pneumatic Rivet Squeezer w/Longeron Yoke (less 10%)
$140.00 - 7760 No-Hole/Thin Nose Squeezer yoke 4 deep x 1-1/4 gap
(less 10%)
$10.00 - 7795 Quick Change Yoke Pins $5.00 (2 sets) (less 10%)
$3.15 - 1003 Boelube lubricant
$79 - 212 Parker 37 degree rolo-flair flaring tool $79.00 (less 10%)
These items I did not buy from Avery, but picked up locally.
The Right angle tight fit drill kit Avery didn't like so they are
no longer selling. I'll have to pick one up in the future.
$4.28 - 330 set of marking pens (3 pcs)
$18.90 - 58337 Wiss offset snips left
$18.90 - 58338 Wiss offset snips right
$27.00 - 10741 jig fixture brackets (Do not need for RV10)
$2.70 - 808 Marvel air tool oil
$49.50 - 8105 tight fit angle drill kit (No longer available)
Total spent at Avery......$2650-$2700 (OUCH!!!!!!)
----------------------------------------------------------------
Next:
Cleaveland tool
------------------------------------------------------------------
Cleaveland Tools
http://www5.mailordercentral.com/clevtool/home.asp
BBRV10 Special Bucking bar for RV-10 Empennage $21
$29.89 w/shipping
------------------------------------------------------------------
Next:
The Yard Store - http://www.yardstore.com
PN 10008 3.5 offset rivet set 1/8 $5.00
PN 14102 Used Rivet Box $2.95 (Qty 10) (Those awesome spring tops)
PN 14302 Circle Cutter 6 - $14.95
$49.45 + Shipping
------------------------------------------------------------------
Then on to:
Vans Aircraft
Rivet quantities of .05 to .1 lbs each type. (I hope they dont mind
orders like this...
Oops Rivets
NAS1097AD4-3.5 OOPS RIVETS (LB) $17.20
NAS1097AD4-4 OOPS RIVETS (LB) $17.00
NAS1097AD4-5 OOPS RIVETS (LB) $15.00
NAS1097AD4-6 OOPS RIVETS (LB) $17.00
AN426AD3-3, 3.5, 4, 5, 6
AN426AD4-4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9
AN470AD4-4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9
AN470AD3-4, 5, 6
RV TRAINING PROJECT CONTROL SURFACE PROJ $32.00
20 ea Rivets LP4-3's and CS4-4's
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Now all I have to track down is...
MarHyde brand self-etching primer (Body Shop)
Du Pont "Variprime" self etching primer
primer - part #625S
converter - part #616S (or #620S)
If anyone has another suggestion for primer, I'd love to hear it.
So, I guess I've now doubled my involvement in the kit rather quickly,
spending about $3000 on the tail, and now about the same $3000 for tools
and misc.
Hopefully this list comes in useful for others who have questions like I
did/do.
Thanks everyone!
Tim #170
Author: "Noel & Yoshie Simmons" <noel@...> Time: Mon Jan 5, 2004 4:23 pm PST Link
Tim,
Excellent list!!!!!!!!!! There are a few things you should add. #40
chucking reamer #30 Chucking reamer and #12 chucking reamer.
Right or wrong I use the chucking reamers for taking the punched holes out
to the proper size. Works great for me and I like the rivet fit better.
Noel #91
-----Original Message-----
From: Tim Olson [mailto:tim@5...]
Sent: Monday, January 05, 2004 12:04 PM
To: RV10
Subject: [RV10] "Deluxe" Tools List ordered today
Hi all,
After all the questions I had I thought I'd post the results here for
the archives. Hopefully it'll help someone else in the future.
The following is a complete listing of the tools that I've ordered,
along with the source, and approximate cost. I won't even try to
re-price all the tools in the kit, just give an approximate total.
Take note that I read the post just before this one from Pete, and
quickly called Avery back and upped my cleco count to 550 3/32" and
250 1/8".
>From Avery (3X RV Kit Plus many extras)
---------------------------------------
$157.50 - 3X rivet gun including the beehive and quick change spring
$12.60 - 150 air tool regulator
$134.00 - 1001 22 inch hand rivet and dimpling tool
$211.50 - 9430 3 inch yoke Avery hand rivet squeezer
$36.00 - 8005 6 pc. squeezer set mix
$153.00 - 8001 deluxe dimple die kit with block holder
$11.25 - 1022 3/32 pop rivet dimpler
$28.80 - 550 3/32 vise grip dimpler
$15.30 - 610 bucking bar
$17.10 - 615 bucking bar
$21.60 - 620 bucking bar
$7.20 - 4704 1/8 rivet set
$16.20 - 4720 1/8 double offset rivet set
$31.50 - 1047 flush swivel rivet set
$17.10 - 4595 back rivet set
$27.00 - 500 fluting plier
$27.00 - 575 hand seamer
$12.60 - 200 cleco pliers (2 Pair $6.30 ea) Doubled Kit Qty.
$188.10 - 1016 3/32 clecos (550 pcs (was 225 extra))
$85.50 - 1017 1/8 clecos (250 pcs (was 75 extra))
$3.42 - 2018 5/32 clecos (10 pcs)
$3.42 - 2019 3/16 clecos (10 pcs)
$10.13 - 1012 1/2X1/2 side grips (5 pcs)
$11.25 - 1014 1/2X1 side grips (5 pcs)
$13.50 - 1042 edge rolling tool
$202.50 - 1412 Sioux 1/4 air drill 3600 RPM
$18.00 - 40 #40 cobalt drills (16 pcs) Doubled Kit Qty.
$15.84 - 30 #30 cobalt drills (12 pcs) Doubled Kit Qty.
$4.95 - 21 #21 cobalt drills (3 pcs)
$4.50 - 27 #27 cobalt drills (3 pcs)
$3.33 - 19 #19 cobalt drills (2 pcs)
$4.41 - 12 #12 cobalt drills (2 pcs)
$2.97 - 1/4 #1/4 cobalt drill
$4.50 - 12x40 12X#40 extension drill
$4.59 - 12x30 12X#30 extension drill
$8.10 - 1100 drill stop set (4 pcs)
$4.68 - 3140 #40 threaded drill (2 pcs)
$2.34 - 3130 #30 threaded drill
$23.40 - 19360 countersink cage
$7.65 - 1051 #40 countersink cutter
$7.65 - 1052 #30 countersink cutter
$7.65 - 1054 #8 screw countersink cutter
$10.80 - 1246 12 inch flexible steel rule
$1260 - 1007 rivet gauge set (4 pcs)
$4.95 - 1008 rivet length gauge
$20.70 - 1046 speed deburring tool
$13.50 - 22022 Royal multi-burr tool
$46.80 - 3753 Scotch-Brite cutting and polishing wheel
$21.60 - 710 curved tooth file
$3.60 - 757 3/32 drive pin punch
$3.60 - 758 1/8 drive pin punch
$26.10 - 25500 swivel head pop rivet tool
$32.40 - 1065 back riveting plate
$11.70 - 1044 double edge deburring tool
$31.50 - 201 Scotch-Brite cutting/polishing kit
$27.90 - UBX3 Unibit #3 stepdrill
$17.10 - 10765 polyethylene dimpling mallet
$5.40 - 3507 3M riveting tape
$4.50 - 5575 NoMar reusable cleco boots
$62.00 274 Adjustable Set Holder for Pneumatic Squeezers (less 10%)
$21.00 - 59010 Hex adapter for deburring / countersinking (with #1050
cutter) (less 10%)
$610.00 - 7555 Pneumatic Rivet Squeezer w/Longeron Yoke (less 10%)
$140.00 - 7760 No-Hole/Thin Nose Squeezer yoke 4 deep x 1-1/4 gap
(less 10%)
$10.00 - 7795 Quick Change Yoke Pins $5.00 (2 sets) (less 10%)
$3.15 - 1003 Boelube lubricant
$79 - 212 Parker 37 degree rolo-flair flaring tool $79.00 (less 10%)
These items I did not buy from Avery, but picked up locally.
The Right angle tight fit drill kit Avery didn't like so they are
no longer selling. I'll have to pick one up in the future.
$4.28 - 330 set of marking pens (3 pcs)
$18.90 - 58337 Wiss offset snips left
$18.90 - 58338 Wiss offset snips right
$27.00 - 10741 jig fixture brackets (Do not need for RV10)
$2.70 - 808 Marvel air tool oil
$49.50 - 8105 tight fit angle drill kit (No longer available)
Total spent at Avery......$2650-$2700 (OUCH!!!!!!)
----------------------------------------------------------------
Next:
Cleaveland tool
------------------------------------------------------------------
Cleaveland Tools
http://www5.mailordercentral.com/clevtool/home.asp
BBRV10 Special Bucking bar for RV-10 Empennage $21
$29.89 w/shipping
------------------------------------------------------------------
Next:
The Yard Store - http://www.yardstore.com
PN 10008 3.5 offset rivet set 1/8 $5.00
PN 14102 Used Rivet Box $2.95 (Qty 10) (Those awesome spring tops)
PN 14302 Circle Cutter 6 - $14.95
$49.45 + Shipping
------------------------------------------------------------------
Then on to:
Vans Aircraft
Rivet quantities of .05 to .1 lbs each type. (I hope they dont mind
orders like this...
Oops Rivets
NAS1097AD4-3.5 OOPS RIVETS (LB) $17.20
NAS1097AD4-4 OOPS RIVETS (LB) $17.00
NAS1097AD4-5 OOPS RIVETS (LB) $15.00
NAS1097AD4-6 OOPS RIVETS (LB) $17.00
AN426AD3-3, 3.5, 4, 5, 6
AN426AD4-4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9
AN470AD4-4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9
AN470AD3-4, 5, 6
RV TRAINING PROJECT CONTROL SURFACE PROJ $32.00
20 ea Rivets LP4-3's and CS4-4's
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Now all I have to track down is...
MarHyde brand self-etching primer (Body Shop)
Du Pont "Variprime" self etching primer
primer - part #625S
converter - part #616S (or #620S)
If anyone has another suggestion for primer, I'd love to hear it.
So, I guess I've now doubled my involvement in the kit rather quickly,
spending about $3000 on the tail, and now about the same $3000 for tools
and misc.
Hopefully this list comes in useful for others who have questions like I
did/do.
Thanks everyone!
Tim #170
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Author: Aaron Sims <ams@...> Time: Mon Jan 5, 2004 5:53 pm PST Link
Since you asked about primer, I'm using a VeriPrime knock-off,
called Nason. It's made by Dupont (same folks who make Veriprime).
>From what I can tell, it's nearly the same as Veriprime in
application and coverage, but the best part is that I can get
it for 1/3 the price of Veriprime. I paid $18 for a quart vs.
$60+ for Veriprime.
If you call around for Veriprime, there's a chance that same
paint store will carry Nason.
The primer part number is: 491-17
The catalyst part number is: 441-43
Hope that helps.
--
Aaron M. Sims
RV-10 #40036
http://canopyroad.org/rv10/
ams@g...
Author: Tim Olson <tim@...> Time: Tue Jan 6, 2004 3:30 am PST Link
That is so awesome! Thanks! Do you know if there is any
difference chemically or protection wise as to why it may
be inferior? Funny that DuPont would make 2 products that
do the same thing but under different names.
Tim
Aaron Sims wrote:
> Since you asked about primer, I'm using a VeriPrime knock-off,
> called Nason. It's made by Dupont (same folks who make Veriprime).
>>>From what I can tell, it's nearly the same as Veriprime in
> application and coverage, but the best part is that I can get
> it for 1/3 the price of Veriprime. I paid $18 for a quart vs.
> $60+ for Veriprime.
>
> If you call around for Veriprime, there's a chance that same
> paint store will carry Nason.
>
> The primer part number is: 491-17
> The catalyst part number is: 441-43
>
> Hope that helps.
> --
> Aaron M. Sims
> RV-10 #40036
> http://canopyroad.org/rv10/
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Author: "rv7pete" <RV10Pete@...> Time: Tue Jan 6, 2004 3:30 am PST Link
I totally forgot about my reamers, even though I use them on every
skin...they leave a beautiful hole...nice and clean! I second the
vote for the addition of reamers...even though I don't have a #12.
pete
--- In RV10@yahoogroups.com, "Noel & Yoshie Simmons" <noel@b...>
wrote:
> Tim,
>
> Excellent list!!!!!!!!!! There are a few things you should add.
#40
> chucking reamer #30 Chucking reamer and #12 chucking reamer.
>
> Right or wrong I use the chucking reamers for taking the punched
holes out
> to the proper size. Works great for me and I like the rivet fit
better.
>
> Noel #91