Author: Hans Conser <hansconser@...> Time: Mon Aug 9, 2004 3:36 pm PDT Link
wrote:
> There are 13 messages in this issue.
>
> Topics in this digest:
>
> 1. Engines for the RV-10
> From: David Talley <dtalley1@satx.rr.com>
> 2. Starting the wing
> From: Tim Olson <tim@MyRV10.com>
> 3. Instructions or part minor issue with Tie-Down Brackets
> From: Tim Olson <tim@MyRV10.com>
> 4. Tru-Trak pre-install
> From: "Merems" <merems@cox.net>
> 5. Re: Re: Innodyne
> From: bob@deltahawkengines.com
> 6. Van made it to Fortune magazine!
> From: "James McClow" <james@mcclowsrv10.com>
> 7. RE: Instructions or part minor issue with Tie-Down Brackets
> From: "James McClow" <james@mcclowsrv10.com>
> 8. RE: Starting the wing
> From: "James McClow" <james@mcclowsrv10.com>
> 9. RE: Engines for the RV-10
> From: "Brian Denk" <akroguy@hotmail.com>
> 10. RE: Engines for the RV-10
> From: "James McClow" <james@mcclowsrv10.com>
> 11. Re: Fuse photos
> From: "fixit11957" <randy@europa.com>
> 12. Re: Van made it to Fortune magazine!
> From: "townsetm" <yooper@alum.mit.edu>
> 13. Re: Re: Van made it to Fortune magazine!
> From: thomas hobbes <doublecheckvalve@yahoo.com
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> Message: 1
> Date: Sat, 07 Aug 2004 10:34:42 -0500
> From: David Talley <dtalley1@satx.rr.com>
> Subject: Engines for the RV-10
>
> Folks,
>
> First time to the list. My wife and I test flew the RV-10 at OSH. She
> went first in the front right with me in the back right seat.
> Impressive
> is an understatement! After her 20/30 minute flight we returned to the
> "loading area" and it was my turn. Same exciting thing for me at the
> controls. She did 30 degree turns so I figured I'd do 60 degree
> turns. The first one was to the right. There was only one problem.
> It
> was pilot induced (me). The nose lowered about 5 degrees and we were
> accelerating towards supersonic. I was definitely behind the pitch
> thing. Ken Scott warned me that the ten was "pitch sensitive" and then
> told me to do one to the left, but to watch the pitch attitude. This
> one
> and subsequent turns were a snap. Also, the slow flight was truly
> incredible with fully function controls down to the stall.
> Application of
> power at the full stall allowed the plane to fly out with about an
> initial
> 1600 FPM rate of climb. Those that have also flown the ten, please
> pass on
> to me your experience., I want to make sure that my head wasn't too
> far
> into the clouds!
>
> Upon return to the airfield, my wife marched over to the Innodyn tent
> and
> purchased their 255 HP turbine. Now when I say my wife did it, I mean
> it. She's a newly minted pilot but knows a good bargain when she sees
> one. Innodyn has already purchased the ten kit and is well on the way
> to
> getting it ready for the engine. Also, Greg over at Blue Mountain has
> one
> on order, so we figure by the time we are ready for the engine and the
> electronics, the bugs will be worked out.
>
> Check out www.innodyn.com for further information. One last thing, we
> walked over to the Van's tent with our concerns for this powerplant.
> Ken
> was standing there and concurred that the only two concerns were
> weight and
> balance and fuel consumption per hour. (Also, he didn't like the
> current
> cowl on the RV-6 River's had on display.). The ten has the battery in
> the
> "trunk" so moving it forward to the mount should help. Also, dual
> electrical busses are planned for obvious reasons. This should help
> with
> some additional weight up front,
>
> We're building a hangar this fall and will order our kit hopefully by
> February or March of next year. Good luck to all already out there
> with
> their kits.
>
> Dave Talley
> San Antonio, TX
>>>
>>> Scott Baker at Velocity sent this to the Velocity Reflector email
>>> list. Innodyn is the same company as ATP. There were follow ups
>>> from
>>> people who'd placed deposits that said the same thing.
>>>
>>> Caveat Emptor.
>>
>>> To anyone who is remotely interested in purchasing an engine from
>>> ATP -
>>> Affordable Turbine Power - LISTEN UP!
>>> What follows may save you $10,000 (or more)!
>>> ATP is selling "snake oil" as far as my opinion goes.
>>> Several Velocity customers have placed orders and deposits for ATP
>>> engines -
>>> and have been the victims of broken promises and outright fraud.
>>> One Velocity customer placed a $12,000 deposit with ATP towards a
>>> +300hp
>>> version of their experimental turbine - waited to the promised
>>> delivery
>>> date - called for the delivery - and was told by the "good" folks at
>>> ATP
>>> that:
>>> a. They discontinued development of the 300 hp version of the
>>> engine
>>> b. They had no immediate plans to renew development of the 300 hp
>>> engine
>>> c. Despite the written order form that guaranteed all deposits
>>> would be
>>> escrowed - ATP nevertheless spent his deposit, and
>>> d. They have no plans to refund his deposit.
>>> To add insult to injury, this Velocity builder had purchased a
>>> constant
>>> speed propeller that works (for all intent and purposes) on a turbine
>>> engine - so he is also "out" the money he invested in the propeller.
>>> This is not an isolated case. Another Velocity customer that I
>>> spoke with
>>> ALSO lost a substantial amount of money due to the fact that ATP
>>> could not
>>> provide an engine and would not return his deposit.
>>>
>>> In the last edition of AOPA's ePilot, it had an announcement piece
>>> promoting
>>> ATP. I wrote to the editor of ePilot and told him about the fraud
>>> this
>>> company has committed and gave him the names of two Velocity
>>> customers who
>>> were cheated by ATP. The editor followed through - and attempted to
>>> reach
>>> ATP for comment. They (ATP) refuse to talk with him. The customers
>>> did
>>> talk with AOPA and told them what happened.
>>>
>>> One year ago ATP had a booth at Sun n Fun showing their ATP powered
>>> RV.
>>> Between SnF and Oshkosh the aircraft added (what is reported to be)
>>> less
>>> than 10-hours of flight time. Think about that. 10-hours of flight
>>> time in
>>> 4-months. If I were selling a new engine - turbine or otherwise - I
>>> would
>>> hardly boast about 10-hours of operation in 4-months. Something was
>>> (and
>>> is) obviously amiss.
>>>
>>> Incredibly, I am contacted by Velocity customers who have talked
>>> with ATP
>>> ... and ATP believe it or not, is giving Velocity as a reference!
>>> What
>>> balls!
>>>
>>> After SnF 2003, ATP went "underground" at last years Oshkosh and
>>> this years
>>> SnF. They did not have a booth, but they did promote their
>>> "fantastic,
>>> everybody needs to have one turbine engine" at an obscure Cub
>>> display. ATP,
>>> you will find, is not in the show program.
>>>
>>> These people have the lowest business ethics. If you are fool
>>> enough to
>>> give them your money, they are happy to take it.
>>>
>>> And that's all I have to say about that.
>>>
>>> Scott B.
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