Author: Steven Longdon <chksix71@...> Time: Sat Aug 14, 2004 6:08 pm PDT Link
Is there anyone out there looking at the possibility of making the rear seat a 3 place bench? With Socata and now Mooney offering this option I have to ask myself if it can be done.
I have 3 small boys and intend to replace my C-310 with the RV-10. I've looked over the Weight and Balance info I have and it looks very promising.
Steve Longdon
Chief Pilot
Capital Quest, Inc.
Louisville, TN
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Author: "Brian Denk" <akroguy@...> Time: Sun Aug 15, 2004 6:38 am PDT Link
>Is there anyone out there looking at the possibility of making the rear
>seat a 3 place bench? With Socata and now Mooney offering this option I
>have to ask myself if it can be done.
>
>I have 3 small boys and intend to replace my C-310 with the RV-10. I've
>looked over the Weight and Balance info I have and it looks very promising.
>
>Steve Longdon
>Chief Pilot
>Capital Quest, Inc.
>Louisville, TN
Interesting thought. I have considered installing a simple bench seat as
well, instead of two independent seats. We only have one child, but the
bench might offer him more room for toys, or even to lay down and nap. As
long as weight and balance works out, I don't see a reason why it could not
be done.
Brian Denk
RV8 N94BD
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Author: Steven Longdon <chksix71@...> Time: Sun Aug 15, 2004 10:27 am PDT Link
With the Mooney seat being only 42" and the Socata at 50". The RV should be right in the middle. I have shared the rear seat of a TB-21 with another adult and a child for more than an hour. It wasn't the most pleasant ride but it also wasn't the worst.
Incidentally, the bench seat in my nanny's minivan is 46" across and we have 3 car seats strapped into it.
Steve Longdon
Chief Pilot
Capital Quest, Inc.
Louisville, TN
Brian Denk <akroguy@hotmail.com> wrote:
>Is there anyone out there looking at the possibility of making the rear
>seat a 3 place bench? With Socata and now Mooney offering this option I
>have to ask myself if it can be done.
>
>I have 3 small boys and intend to replace my C-310 with the RV-10. I've
>looked over the Weight and Balance info I have and it looks very promising.
>
>Steve Longdon
>Chief Pilot
>Capital Quest, Inc.
>Louisville, TN
Interesting thought. I have considered installing a simple bench seat as
well, instead of two independent seats. We only have one child, but the
bench might offer him more room for toys, or even to lay down and nap. As
long as weight and balance works out, I don't see a reason why it could not
be done.
Brian Denk
RV8 N94BD
RV10 '51
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Author: "Brian Denk" <akroguy@...> Time: Sun Aug 15, 2004 11:58 am PDT Link
>With the Mooney seat being only 42" and the Socata at 50". The RV should be
>right in the middle. I have shared the rear seat of a TB-21 with another
>adult and a child for more than an hour. It wasn't the most pleasant ride
>but it also wasn't the worst.
>
>Incidentally, the bench seat in my nanny's minivan is 46" across and we
>have 3 car seats strapped into it.
>
>Steve Longdon
>Chief Pilot
>Capital Quest, Inc.
>Louisville, TN
Ahah! I just answered my own question...I think. Spec sheet on the -10 I
have here at work shows 46" at what appears to be hip area of the rear seat
occupants. Maybe a bench seat in the 44" wide range would fit nicely.
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Author: "Brian Denk" <akroguy@...> Time: Sun Aug 15, 2004 11:58 am PDT Link
>With the Mooney seat being only 42" and the Socata at 50". The RV should be
>right in the middle. I have shared the rear seat of a TB-21 with another
>adult and a child for more than an hour. It wasn't the most pleasant ride
>but it also wasn't the worst.
>
>Incidentally, the bench seat in my nanny's minivan is 46" across and we
>have 3 car seats strapped into it.
>
>Steve Longdon
>Chief Pilot
>Capital Quest, Inc.
>Louisville, TN
Hmm....46" might be just about right. I think max width of the cabin is 48"
up at the spar. Anyone have a spec on rear seat area cabin width?
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Author: Steven Longdon <chksix71@...> Time: Sun Aug 15, 2004 6:00 pm PDT Link
Van's says it's 46" in the rear, 48+ up front.
Steve
Brian Denk <akroguy@hotmail.com> wrote:
>With the Mooney seat being only 42" and the Socata at 50". The RV should be
>right in the middle. I have shared the rear seat of a TB-21 with another
>adult and a child for more than an hour. It wasn't the most pleasant ride
>but it also wasn't the worst.
>
>Incidentally, the bench seat in my nanny's minivan is 46" across and we
>have 3 car seats strapped into it.
>
>Steve Longdon
>Chief Pilot
>Capital Quest, Inc.
>Louisville, TN
Hmm....46" might be just about right. I think max width of the cabin is 48"
up at the spar. Anyone have a spec on rear seat area cabin width?
Brian Denk
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Author: "Chris" <toaster73@...> Time: Sun Aug 15, 2004 6:13 pm PDT Link
One thing though about the 5 seat idea is the "tunnel" runs through the back
so the middle person would need to put their feet on either side of the
tunnel. Of course with small kids it wouldn't matter too much, especially if
you could fit 3 car seats in.
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40072
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Subject: RE: [RV10] 5 seat RV-10
> >Is there anyone out there looking at the possibility of making the rear
> >seat a 3 place bench? With Socata and now Mooney offering this option I
> >have to ask myself if it can be done.
> >
> >I have 3 small boys and intend to replace my C-310 with the RV-10. I've
> >looked over the Weight and Balance info I have and it looks very
promising.
> >
> >Steve Longdon
> >Chief Pilot
> >Capital Quest, Inc.
> >Louisville, TN
>
> Interesting thought. I have considered installing a simple bench seat as
> well, instead of two independent seats. We only have one child, but the
> bench might offer him more room for toys, or even to lay down and nap. As
> long as weight and balance works out, I don't see a reason why it could
not
> be done.
>
> Brian Denk
> RV8 N94BD
> RV10 '51
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Author: "eric_panning" <eric_panning@...> Time: Sun Aug 15, 2004 6:17 pm PDT Link
A folding bench seat that folded flush, or close to it, would be a
nice addition. don't forget the seat belts - perhaps secured to the
same mounting point as bucket? Would not be as strong due to the
angle of pull. Perhaps y -split to both mounts?
The center tunnel would impact leg room. Plenty of time to decide of
rmost of us. I would hold off on the back seats until I had the
front seats, etc.
Eric
--- In RV10@yahoogroups.com, "Brian Denk" <akroguy@h...> wrote:
> >With the Mooney seat being only 42" and the Socata at 50". The RV
should be
> >right in the middle. I have shared the rear seat of a TB-21 with
another
> >adult and a child for more than an hour. It wasn't the most
pleasant ride
> >but it also wasn't the worst.
> >
> >Incidentally, the bench seat in my nanny's minivan is 46" across
and we
> >have 3 car seats strapped into it.
> >
> >Steve Longdon
> >Chief Pilot
> >Capital Quest, Inc.
> >Louisville, TN
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Author: "townsetm" <yooper@...> Time: Sun Aug 15, 2004 10:54 pm PDT Link
We're planning on 3 harnesses in the rear. Probably not a bench, per
se, but probably the two regular seats, plus a little sheet metal
(back) and some cushions to fill the gap between the two seats, plus
a third harness mounted in the middle.
Although maybe skip the two seats and get a true bench like is
implied. If enough people wanted one, maybe Oregon Aero could make
up a bench. Could be pricey, though, for the engineering work.
BTW, my understanding is that the front seats come in the finish kit,
but the rear seats are either a) optional, or b) up to you. I think
that's a little lame, since everybody is going to want rear seats.
Why not include them in the kit?
TDT
40025
--- In RV10@yahoogroups.com, Steven Longdon <chksix71@y...> wrote:
> Is there anyone out there looking at the possibility of making the
rear seat a 3 place bench? With Socata and now Mooney offering this
option I have to ask myself if it can be done.
>
> I have 3 small boys and intend to replace my C-310 with the RV-10.
I've looked over the Weight and Balance info I have and it looks very
promising.
>
> Steve Longdon
> Chief Pilot
> Capital Quest, Inc.
> Louisville, TN
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Author: Tim Olson <tim@...> Time: Mon Aug 16, 2004 11:40 am PDT Link
Isn't it that the seats come in the kit, but the cushions don't?
I think you'll get the aluminum....just not the foam. Anyone else
with other info...perhaps someone with the fuse kit?
Tim
townsetm wrote:
> We're planning on 3 harnesses in the rear. Probably not a bench, per
> se, but probably the two regular seats, plus a little sheet metal
> (back) and some cushions to fill the gap between the two seats, plus
> a third harness mounted in the middle.
>
> Although maybe skip the two seats and get a true bench like is
> implied. If enough people wanted one, maybe Oregon Aero could make
> up a bench. Could be pricey, though, for the engineering work.
>
> BTW, my understanding is that the front seats come in the finish kit,
> but the rear seats are either a) optional, or b) up to you. I think
> that's a little lame, since everybody is going to want rear seats.
> Why not include them in the kit?
>
> TDT
> 40025
>
> --- In RV10@yahoogroups.com, Steven Longdon <chksix71@y...> wrote:
>
>>Is there anyone out there looking at the possibility of making the
>
> rear seat a 3 place bench? With Socata and now Mooney offering this
> option I have to ask myself if it can be done.
>>I have 3 small boys and intend to replace my C-310 with the RV-10.
>
> I've looked over the Weight and Balance info I have and it looks very
> promising.
>>Steve Longdon
>>Chief Pilot
>>Capital Quest, Inc.
>>Louisville, TN
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Author: "Brian Denk" <akroguy@...> Time: Mon Aug 16, 2004 11:41 am PDT Link
>We're planning on 3 harnesses in the rear. Probably not a bench, per
>se, but probably the two regular seats, plus a little sheet metal
>(back) and some cushions to fill the gap between the two seats, plus
>a third harness mounted in the middle.
>
>Although maybe skip the two seats and get a true bench like is
>implied. If enough people wanted one, maybe Oregon Aero could make
>up a bench. Could be pricey, though, for the engineering work.
>
>BTW, my understanding is that the front seats come in the finish kit,
>but the rear seats are either a) optional, or b) up to you. I think
>that's a little lame, since everybody is going to want rear seats.
>Why not include them in the kit?
>
>TDT
>40025
It's kind of a mixed bag with the seats. The fronts as spec'd for the
finish kit are the seat frames, mounts and cushions without covering. So
yeah, you get seats, but until they're covered, they gonna be ugly! As for
the backs, they're standard RV....formed sheet with angle sides for the seat
backs hinged to the floor. Fill 'em with a foam cushion and make a seat
bottom to match and stick 'em on with velcro. Very typical here. Works
fine and is very lightweight. Those front seats on the other hand, are
probably not going in my airplane. The $4k pricetag has already been
debated here so I won't go into it.
Brian Denk
RV8 N94BD
RV10 '51
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Author: "Lloyd, Daniel R." <lloyddr@...> Time: Mon Aug 16, 2004 12:37 pm PDT Link
>From what has been explained to me, the front seats are a mandatory
item. They were designed to sit directly on the spar and they are needed
to absorb impact in the event of a hard landing. During my discussion on
the phone with Vans hey said they will be offered in two standard
colors, and if you wanted something else you could contact Oregon and
have them do them for you, but you will not have the option of leaving
the seats out. Anyone else find out anything different?
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To: RV10@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [RV10] Re: 5 seat RV-10
>We're planning on 3 harnesses in the rear. Probably not a bench, per
>se, but probably the two regular seats, plus a little sheet metal
>(back) and some cushions to fill the gap between the two seats, plus
>a third harness mounted in the middle.
>
>Although maybe skip the two seats and get a true bench like is
>implied. If enough people wanted one, maybe Oregon Aero could make
>up a bench. Could be pricey, though, for the engineering work.
>
>BTW, my understanding is that the front seats come in the finish kit,
>but the rear seats are either a) optional, or b) up to you. I think
>that's a little lame, since everybody is going to want rear seats.
>Why not include them in the kit?
>
>TDT
>40025
It's kind of a mixed bag with the seats. The fronts as spec'd for the
finish kit are the seat frames, mounts and cushions without covering.
So
yeah, you get seats, but until they're covered, they gonna be ugly! As
for
the backs, they're standard RV....formed sheet with angle sides for the
seat
backs hinged to the floor. Fill 'em with a foam cushion and make a seat
bottom to match and stick 'em on with velcro. Very typical here. Works
fine and is very lightweight. Those front seats on the other hand, are
probably not going in my airplane. The $4k pricetag has already been
debated here so I won't go into it.
Brian Denk
RV8 N94BD
RV10 '51
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Author: Tim Olson <tim@...> Time: Mon Aug 16, 2004 12:38 pm PDT Link
Hey Brian,
I don't remember any big debate on the price of the seats. I do know
that they've mentioned the $4K figure, but if the seats come with the
frames, mounts, and cushions, and you can cover them for $400 in
cloth, doesn't that complete the front seats? You aren't telling
me/us that we have some additional $4,000 to spend on seats, are you?
I'd sure hope that isn't the case. As for the back, I was under
the impression that it was just as stated below by you.
What's getting me is that you say that the $4K seats aren't going
in your plane....my question then becomes, "What are YOU going to
put in yours?"
Tim
Brian Denk wrote:
>>We're planning on 3 harnesses in the rear. Probably not a bench, per
>>se, but probably the two regular seats, plus a little sheet metal
>>(back) and some cushions to fill the gap between the two seats, plus
>>a third harness mounted in the middle.
>>
>>Although maybe skip the two seats and get a true bench like is
>>implied. If enough people wanted one, maybe Oregon Aero could make
>>up a bench. Could be pricey, though, for the engineering work.
>>
>>BTW, my understanding is that the front seats come in the finish kit,
>>but the rear seats are either a) optional, or b) up to you. I think
>>that's a little lame, since everybody is going to want rear seats.
>>Why not include them in the kit?
>>
>>TDT
>>40025
> It's kind of a mixed bag with the seats. The fronts as spec'd for the
> finish kit are the seat frames, mounts and cushions without covering. So
> yeah, you get seats, but until they're covered, they gonna be ugly! As for
> the backs, they're standard RV....formed sheet with angle sides for the seat
> backs hinged to the floor. Fill 'em with a foam cushion and make a seat
> bottom to match and stick 'em on with velcro. Very typical here. Works
> fine and is very lightweight. Those front seats on the other hand, are
> probably not going in my airplane. The $4k pricetag has already been
> debated here so I won't go into it.
>
> Brian Denk
> RV8 N94BD
> RV10 '51
>
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Author: "Greg Young" <gyoung@...> Time: Mon Aug 16, 2004 1:04 pm PDT Link
I'll bet Van's regrets ever throwing out a separate price for the seats and
lid. They did it to help explain the overall price of the kit when folks
were speculating wildly about it. However good or bad those numbers were
then, they were likely amortizing the R&D over a small quantity. Remember
they thought the 1st batch of 50 would take quite a while to sell. Boy, did
they get that wrong.
Greg
> I don't remember any big debate on the price of the seats. I
> do know that they've mentioned the $4K figure, but if the
> seats come with the frames, mounts, and cushions, and you can
> cover them for $400 in cloth, doesn't that complete the front
> seats? You aren't telling me/us that we have some additional
> $4,000 to spend on seats, are you?
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Author: "Brian Denk" <akroguy@...> Time: Mon Aug 16, 2004 1:57 pm PDT Link
>Hey Brian,
>
>I don't remember any big debate on the price of the seats. I do know
>that they've mentioned the $4K figure, but if the seats come with the
>frames, mounts, and cushions, and you can cover them for $400 in
>cloth, doesn't that complete the front seats? You aren't telling
>me/us that we have some additional $4,000 to spend on seats, are you?
>I'd sure hope that isn't the case. As for the back, I was under
>the impression that it was just as stated below by you.
>
>What's getting me is that you say that the $4K seats aren't going
>in your plane....my question then becomes, "What are YOU going to
>put in yours?"
>Tim
Well, I'm going with the Jed Clampett airliner look.....wooden bench with
ropes for restraints. !!! *anyone remember that episode*?
Heh.
But seriously folks. The two front seats come with the kit, the $4k is
already in the kit cost. You get frames, mounts, and Oregon Aero cushions.
Covering them is up to you. These are the 26G rated seats...for some wacky
reason this is a magic number that is supposed to keep you alive if you
splat the airplane into the deck like in a spin. Ok fine. Spine might be
intact but guts are busted and bleeding out. I'm just not convinced they
will be the tiebreaker between life and death if you really screw the pooch
and prang the plane in a major way. This is MY VIEW only, and please do NOT
take this or anything I say as gospel regarding anything. Heck, I don't
believe half of what I hear when I'm listening to the voices inside my head
anyway. :)
As for me, I'll be looking for nice (as in factory NEW) leather buckets from
a BMW, Lexus or something equally elegant for my -10. My trip to Van's last
spring led me to believe Van's is fully expecting SOME builders to opt out
of the safety seats. Will they condone this approach or gleefully say "why
sure, go right ahead buddy!"?? No way. It's like the alternative engine
issue with them. Do whatever you want, but don't bug them if you have
issues later. Makes perfect sense really.
There ya have it. My view. Flame suit on. Let 'er rip. Full speed ahead!
Brian Denk
RV8 N94BD
RV10 '51
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Author: "James McClow" <james@...> Time: Mon Aug 16, 2004 1:58 pm PDT Link
The back seats are not included? That is not cool at all. Heck, look in any
kit plane magazine ad of the rv 10 and the headline reads. "there's
something new with vans aircraft, voices from the backseat". So basically is
voices from milk crates. I am shocked about this. Are you sure? The whole
reason most of us are building the 10 is to have voices from the back seat.
I think we all need to send an email to vans! I really do. Tell them that we
feel it doesn't make sense to not include the back seats on a four passenger
airplane. It doesn't sound right at all but nothing surprises me personally
much any more. I really think we all need to lobby Vans and get this
standard. I mean my plane will have my kids in the back when we come to meet
all of you guys at flying.I guess egg crates are cheaper but I am thinking
an FAA ramp check wouldn't go so well with the kids sitting on milk crates.
LOL (just kidding). Let's start lobbying now for the seats to be included so
when they start shipping the finish kits in late September they will be
included. Just my thoughts, it just doesn't seem right or make sense. Did
Vans tell you this when trying to order?
James
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From: townsetm [mailto:yooper@alum.mit.edu]
Sent: Sunday, August 15, 2004 8:56 PM
To: RV10@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [RV10] Re: 5 seat RV-10
We're planning on 3 harnesses in the rear. Probably not a bench, per
se, but probably the two regular seats, plus a little sheet metal
(back) and some cushions to fill the gap between the two seats, plus
a third harness mounted in the middle.
Although maybe skip the two seats and get a true bench like is
implied. If enough people wanted one, maybe Oregon Aero could make
up a bench. Could be pricey, though, for the engineering work.
BTW, my understanding is that the front seats come in the finish kit,
but the rear seats are either a) optional, or b) up to you. I think
that's a little lame, since everybody is going to want rear seats.
Why not include them in the kit?
TDT
40025
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rear seat a 3 place bench? With Socata and now Mooney offering this
option I have to ask myself if it can be done.
>
> I have 3 small boys and intend to replace my C-310 with the RV-10.
I've looked over the Weight and Balance info I have and it looks very
promising.
>
> Steve Longdon
> Chief Pilot
> Capital Quest, Inc.
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Author: Anton Nielsen <a_nielsen_4@...> Time: Mon Aug 16, 2004 2:48 pm PDT Link
Hey Brian,
Seeing as you won't be using those front seats, but they will arrive as part
of the kit, could you send them to me? I bet they could be turned into some
pretty nice rear seats for my plane :-)
On a more serious note, though, I think we should band together a bit and see
if we can either convince Van's to do some legwork on getting decent rear
seats, or do something as a group to do one (or two) sets of designs and get
seats as a group.
We are doing 3 across the back. Not exactly sure of the config yet, but
that's the plan. As for the tunnel, my family's 1970's station wagon had a
tunnel in the middle. It will be just like when I was a kid.
Anton
> Well, I'm going with the Jed Clampett airliner look.....wooden bench with
> ropes for restraints. !!! *anyone remember that episode*?
>
> Heh.
>
> But seriously folks. The two front seats come with the kit, the $4k is
> already in the kit cost. You get frames, mounts, and Oregon Aero cushions.
>
> Covering them is up to you. These are the 26G rated seats...for some wacky
>
> reason this is a magic number that is supposed to keep you alive if you
> splat the airplane into the deck like in a spin. Ok fine. Spine might be
> intact but guts are busted and bleeding out. I'm just not convinced they
> will be the tiebreaker between life and death if you really screw the pooch
>
> and prang the plane in a major way. This is MY VIEW only, and please do
> NOT
> take this or anything I say as gospel regarding anything. Heck, I don't
> believe half of what I hear when I'm listening to the voices inside my head
>
> anyway. :)
>
> As for me, I'll be looking for nice (as in factory NEW) leather buckets
> from
> a BMW, Lexus or something equally elegant for my -10. My trip to Van's
> last
> spring led me to believe Van's is fully expecting SOME builders to opt out
> of the safety seats. Will they condone this approach or gleefully say "why
>
> sure, go right ahead buddy!"?? No way. It's like the alternative engine
> issue with them. Do whatever you want, but don't bug them if you have
> issues later. Makes perfect sense really.
>
> There ya have it. My view. Flame suit on. Let 'er rip. Full speed
> ahead!
>
> Brian Denk
> RV8 N94BD
> RV10 '51
>
> All I want for Christmas is a cheap, reliable turbine and a potty with a
> heated leather seat. Now THAT'S flying in style!
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Author: "Scott Schmidt" <sschmidt@...> Time: Mon Aug 16, 2004 2:48 pm PDT Link
The rear seats are included. They just don't have cushions. The front
seats that come with the kit are not covered with anything though. They
are just foam. I think many people think they come with leather on them
but they don't. Oregon Aero will cover the seats for $600 a seat.
Oregon Aero also said that the rear seats covered with leather will be
$400 - $600 each.
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From: James McClow [mailto:james@mcclowsrv10.com]
Sent: Monday, August 16, 2004 1:59 PM
To: RV10@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [RV10] Re: 5 seat RV-10
The back seats are not included? That is not cool at all. Heck, look in
any
kit plane magazine ad of the rv 10 and the headline reads. "there's
something new with vans aircraft, voices from the backseat". So
basically is
voices from milk crates. I am shocked about this. Are you sure? The
whole
reason most of us are building the 10 is to have voices from the back
seat.
I think we all need to send an email to vans! I really do. Tell them
that we
feel it doesn't make sense to not include the back seats on a four
passenger
airplane. It doesn't sound right at all but nothing surprises me
personally
much any more. I really think we all need to lobby Vans and get this
standard. I mean my plane will have my kids in the back when we come to
meet
all of you guys at flying.I guess egg crates are cheaper but I am
thinking
an FAA ramp check wouldn't go so well with the kids sitting on milk
crates.
LOL (just kidding). Let's start lobbying now for the seats to be
included so
when they start shipping the finish kits in late September they will be
included. Just my thoughts, it just doesn't seem right or make sense.
Did
Vans tell you this when trying to order?
James
191
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From: townsetm [mailto:yooper@alum.mit.edu]
Sent: Sunday, August 15, 2004 8:56 PM
To: RV10@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [RV10] Re: 5 seat RV-10
We're planning on 3 harnesses in the rear. Probably not a bench, per
se, but probably the two regular seats, plus a little sheet metal
(back) and some cushions to fill the gap between the two seats, plus
a third harness mounted in the middle.
Although maybe skip the two seats and get a true bench like is
implied. If enough people wanted one, maybe Oregon Aero could make
up a bench. Could be pricey, though, for the engineering work.
BTW, my understanding is that the front seats come in the finish kit,
but the rear seats are either a) optional, or b) up to you. I think
that's a little lame, since everybody is going to want rear seats.
Why not include them in the kit?
TDT
40025
--- In RV10@yahoogroups.com, Steven Longdon <chksix71@y...> wrote:
> Is there anyone out there looking at the possibility of making the
rear seat a 3 place bench? With Socata and now Mooney offering this
option I have to ask myself if it can be done.
>
> I have 3 small boys and intend to replace my C-310 with the RV-10.
I've looked over the Weight and Balance info I have and it looks very
promising.
>
> Steve Longdon
> Chief Pilot
> Capital Quest, Inc.
> Louisville, TN
>
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Author: "Brian Denk" <akroguy@...> Time: Mon Aug 16, 2004 2:49 pm PDT Link
>From what has been explained to me, the front seats are a mandatory
>item. They were designed to sit directly on the spar and they are needed
>to absorb impact in the event of a hard landing. During my discussion on
>the phone with Vans hey said they will be offered in two standard
>colors, and if you wanted something else you could contact Oregon and
>have them do them for you, but you will not have the option of leaving
>the seats out. Anyone else find out anything different?
Nothing is mandatory. You are the manufacturer. You decide. Van's wants
their kits to be as safe as humanly possible.
Van's is staffed with human beings. Each has his/her view of what is
necessary, prudent, safe, not safe, silly, waste of time, etc. The person I
chatted w/ while there this spring stated (as I interpret his words) that
basically, to each his own. If you want maximum impact protection, the $4k
seats are the only way to achieve it. Yes, they are expensive. Do you have
to use them? No. This is an EXPERIMENTAL AIRCRAFT.
At that time, the seats were not going to be covered with anything, but they
were talking w/ a local upholstery company that does their demonstrator
airplanes for some kind of quote for fabric, leather, vinyl, or blends of
these, done up in your choice of a few standard colors and schemes. It was
still highly speculative at that time so maybe they have locked in a deal by
now. If I do use these seats (hey, I could be pursuaded...but just not
right now!), I would have them covered by a family friend who covered my RV8
seats for me. He does great work (wins showcar events in California all the
time) and is very reasonably priced. If Van's can get enough builders to
specify so and so color with so and so scheme, then perhaps volume pricing
would be beneficial. From the number of kits sold, I'd say this could
happen!
Brian Denk
RV8 N94BD
RV10 '51
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Author: "Brian Denk" <akroguy@...> Time: Mon Aug 16, 2004 3:59 pm PDT Link
>The back seats are not included? That is not cool at all. Heck, look in any
>kit plane magazine ad of the rv 10 and the headline reads. "there's
>something new with vans aircraft, voices from the backseat". So basically
>is
>voices from milk crates. I am shocked about this. Are you sure? The whole
>reason most of us are building the 10 is to have voices from the back seat.
The back seats ARE INCLUDED.....but not the actual cushions! All the two
seat RV's are this way...seat pan parts, attachment to floor (usually a
hinge) and seat belt anchors...all included. Seat cushion foam, the
thickness thereof, and covering, is a highly individualized decision.
They're as varied as paint schemes and panel layouts.
The only reason Vans has gone the extra measure to supply the seat frames,
attachments and cushions for the front seats on the -10 is due to the fact
that they sit on the wing spar, which is not a crumple zone. The other RV's
have the seats fore or aft of the spar.
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Author: "Brian Denk" <akroguy@...> Time: Mon Aug 16, 2004 4:00 pm PDT Link
>The rear seats are included. They just don't have cushions. The front
>seats that come with the kit are not covered with anything though. They
>are just foam. I think many people think they come with leather on them
>but they don't. Oregon Aero will cover the seats for $600 a seat.
>Oregon Aero also said that the rear seats covered with leather will be
>$400 - $600 each.
>
>Scott Schmidt
Ouch!! Not me. Any car upholstery guy or gal in your home town could cover
them for mucho less dinero. Back in the late 90's my family friend covered
my -8 seats in vinyl and velour with piping for around $400 for both,
including the materials. So, all four seats covered in cow by Oregon Aero
would add another $2K to the $4k you already paid for the front seat
frames/cushions in the cost of the finish kit.
Phooey.
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Author: "Neville Boyle" <neville@...> Time: Mon Aug 16, 2004 4:00 pm PDT Link
Their is a article in last months KITPLANES on the design and
development of the Oregon Aero seats.
-----Original Message-----
From: Lloyd, Daniel R. [mailto:lloyddr@wernerco.com]
Sent: Tuesday, 17 August 2004 4:47 AM
To: RV10@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [RV10] Re: 5 seat RV-10
From what has been explained to me, the front seats are a
mandatory
item. They were designed to sit directly on the spar and they
are needed
to absorb impact in the event of a hard landing. During my
discussion on
the phone with Vans hey said they will be offered in two
standard
colors, and if you wanted something else you could contact
Oregon and
have them do them for you, but you will not have the option of
leaving
the seats out. Anyone else find out anything different?
_____
From: Brian Denk [mailto:akroguy@hotmail.com]
Sent: Monday, August 16, 2004 8:10 AM
To: RV10@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [RV10] Re: 5 seat RV-10
>We're planning on 3 harnesses in the rear. Probably not a
bench, per
>se, but probably the two regular seats, plus a little sheet
metal
>(back) and some cushions to fill the gap between the two seats,
plus
>a third harness mounted in the middle.
>
>Although maybe skip the two seats and get a true bench like is
>implied. If enough people wanted one, maybe Oregon Aero could
make
>up a bench. Could be pricey, though, for the engineering work.
>
>BTW, my understanding is that the front seats come in the
finish kit,
>but the rear seats are either a) optional, or b) up to you. I
think
>that's a little lame, since everybody is going to want rear
seats.
>Why not include them in the kit?
>
>TDT
>40025
It's kind of a mixed bag with the seats. The fronts as spec'd
for the
finish kit are the seat frames, mounts and cushions without
covering.
So
yeah, you get seats, but until they're covered, they gonna be
ugly! As
for
the backs, they're standard RV....formed sheet with angle sides
for the
seat
backs hinged to the floor. Fill 'em with a foam cushion and
make a seat
bottom to match and stick 'em on with velcro. Very typical
here. Works
fine and is very lightweight. Those front seats on the other
hand, are
probably not going in my airplane. The $4k pricetag has already
been
debated here so I won't go into it.
Brian Denk
RV8 N94BD
RV10 '51
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Author: Rick Sked <heeder777@...> Time: Mon Aug 16, 2004 4:38 pm PDT Link
The back seats are included just not with cushions. Like Brian said, they are just like the other RV's...sheet metal that you either make cushions and upholster yourself or buy from a vendor. The front seats are included and need to be upholstered from what I understand...I'm working from memory because I looked all this up BEFORE I ordered my kit. I'm looking at close to $700.00 to have my from seats done in leather....about another $400.00 to have back seat cushions made by a local auto interior shop. Those back cushions are cheap in comparison to the overall project and of course everyones tastes are different in what they want for foam & covering... I'm sure Cleaveland will follow as well as some of the other's who currently make interiors for the two seat RV's. All this info has been out since the beginning.....if the front seats & rails are not included in the price of the kit then I really misunderstood the seat issue I researched prior to placing the order.
Rick
40185
James McClow <james@mcclowsrv10.com> wrote:
The back seats are not included? That is not cool at all. Heck, look in any
kit plane magazine ad of the rv 10 and the headline reads. "there's
something new with vans aircraft, voices from the backseat". So basically is
voices from milk crates. I am shocked about this. Are you sure? The whole
reason most of us are building the 10 is to have voices from the back seat.
I think we all need to send an email to vans! I really do. Tell them that we
feel it doesn't make sense to not include the back seats on a four passenger
airplane. It doesn't sound right at all but nothing surprises me personally
much any more. I really think we all need to lobby Vans and get this
standard. I mean my plane will have my kids in the back when we come to meet
all of you guys at flying.I guess egg crates are cheaper but I am thinking
an FAA ramp check wouldn't go so well with the kids sitting on milk crates.
LOL (just kidding). Let's start lobbying now for the seats to be included so
when they start shipping the finish kits in late September they will be
included. Just my thoughts, it just doesn't seem right or make sense. Did
Vans tell you this when trying to order?
James
191
www.mcclowsrv10.com <http://www.mcclowsrv10.com/>
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From: townsetm [mailto:yooper@alum.mit.edu]
Sent: Sunday, August 15, 2004 8:56 PM
To: RV10@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [RV10] Re: 5 seat RV-10
We're planning on 3 harnesses in the rear. Probably not a bench, per
se, but probably the two regular seats, plus a little sheet metal
(back) and some cushions to fill the gap between the two seats, plus
a third harness mounted in the middle.
Although maybe skip the two seats and get a true bench like is
implied. If enough people wanted one, maybe Oregon Aero could make
up a bench. Could be pricey, though, for the engineering work.
BTW, my understanding is that the front seats come in the finish kit,
but the rear seats are either a) optional, or b) up to you. I think
that's a little lame, since everybody is going to want rear seats.
Why not include them in the kit?
TDT
40025
--- In RV10@yahoogroups.com, Steven Longdon <chksix71@y...> wrote:
> Is there anyone out there looking at the possibility of making the
rear seat a 3 place bench? With Socata and now Mooney offering this
option I have to ask myself if it can be done.
>
> I have 3 small boys and intend to replace my C-310 with the RV-10.
I've looked over the Weight and Balance info I have and it looks very
promising.
>
> Steve Longdon
> Chief Pilot
> Capital Quest, Inc.
> Louisville, TN
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Author: "James McClow" <james@...> Time: Tue Aug 17, 2004 9:28 am PDT Link
Yea, my researching skills must be flawed.I missed this one all together and
I spent months on it. It is a sigh of relief however to see that the
materials to fab the actual pans for the seat. I am ok with having to
provide some seating arrangement or covering in the back and sort of like
the newest posts on the bench anyway but I am happier to know they do come
with all the aluminum to build the assembly anyway.I guess either way I
don't have a choice anyway. I just need at least four seat or there is going
to be another storm in Florida LOL..Heck, we work around this stuff every
day! We are tradesman, we can make anything work right. Just call us
Ra'Viver. (MacGyver.get it .ok, corny I know!!!)
James
191
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From: Rick Sked [mailto:heeder777@yahoo.com]
Sent: Monday, August 16, 2004 6:26 PM
To: RV10@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [RV10] Re: 5 seat RV-10
The back seats are included just not with cushions. Like Brian said, they
are just like the other RV's...sheet metal that you either make cushions and
upholster yourself or buy from a vendor. The front seats are included and
need to be upholstered from what I understand...I'm working from memory
because I looked all this up BEFORE I ordered my kit. I'm looking at close
to $700.00 to have my from seats done in leather....about another $400.00 to
have back seat cushions made by a local auto interior shop. Those back
cushions are cheap in comparison to the overall project and of course
everyones tastes are different in what they want for foam & covering... I'm
sure Cleaveland will follow as well as some of the other's who currently
make interiors for the two seat RV's. All this info has been out since the
beginning.....if the front seats & rails are not included in the price of
the kit then I really misunderstood the seat issue I researched prior to
placing the order.
Rick
40185
James McClow <james@mcclowsrv10.com> wrote:
The back seats are not included? That is not cool at all. Heck, look in any
kit plane magazine ad of the rv 10 and the headline reads. "there's
something new with vans aircraft, voices from the backseat". So basically is
voices from milk crates. I am shocked about this. Are you sure? The whole
reason most of us are building the 10 is to have voices from the back seat.
I think we all need to send an email to vans! I really do. Tell them that we
feel it doesn't make sense to not include the back seats on a four passenger
airplane. It doesn't sound right at all but nothing surprises me personally
much any more. I really think we all need to lobby Vans and get this
standard. I mean my plane will have my kids in the back when we come to meet
all of you guys at flying.I guess egg crates are cheaper but I am thinking
an FAA ramp check wouldn't go so well with the kids sitting on milk crates.
LOL (just kidding). Let's start lobbying now for the seats to be included so
when they start shipping the finish kits in late September they will be
included. Just my thoughts, it just doesn't seem right or make sense. Did
Vans tell you this when trying to order?
James
191
www.mcclowsrv10.com <http://www.mcclowsrv10.com/>
_____
From: townsetm [mailto:yooper@alum.mit.edu]
Sent: Sunday, August 15, 2004 8:56 PM
To: RV10@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [RV10] Re: 5 seat RV-10
We're planning on 3 harnesses in the rear. Probably not a bench, per
se, but probably the two regular seats, plus a little sheet metal
(back) and some cushions to fill the gap between the two seats, plus
a third harness mounted in the middle.
Although maybe skip the two seats and get a true bench like is
implied. If enough people wanted one, maybe Oregon Aero could make
up a bench. Could be pricey, though, for the engineering work.
BTW, my understanding is that the front seats come in the finish kit,
but the rear seats are either a) optional, or b) up to you. I think
that's a little lame, since everybody is going to want rear seats.
Why not include them in the kit?
TDT
40025
--- In RV10@yahoogroups.com, Steven Longdon <chksix71@y...> wrote:
> Is there anyone out there looking at the possibility of making the
rear seat a 3 place bench? With Socata and now Mooney offering this
option I have to ask myself if it can be done.
>
> I have 3 small boys and intend to replace my C-310 with the RV-10.
I've looked over the Weight and Balance info I have and it looks very
promising.
>
> Steve Longdon
> Chief Pilot
> Capital Quest, Inc.
> Louisville, TN
>
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Author: "James McClow" <james@...> Time: Tue Aug 17, 2004 9:28 am PDT Link
Hey Scott,
I love it!!! This is a great script huh. I have messed with it a bit to see
how it held up and it is tough. I like it a lot. I am all for switching
over. I wondered if you had a chance to check my boards.
http://n204mc.com/ipw-web/bulletin/bb/index.php I had built them a few
months ago. You just need to dig into the image file system or the images
folder and upload a new logo graphic. I think logos make or break a
site.Just my thoughts though. It creates a vibe. It a psychological thing
which I have spent years studying.
If you want me to put together a cool rv10 logo for the boards let me know.
I can at least send a couple samples and if you don't like em you don't use
em but I bet I could put together a couple real cool logo samples. I love
making logos. Here is another one of my logo's on my company web store
www.WholesaleCentralAir.com <http://www.wholesalecentralair.com/>
Either way I love it and am in. We need to convert but ZI think by adding a
post to the forum with all the cool features of what the members get to use
and how fun it will be to post on a more advanced but easy to use format. I
really like the V-bulletin outline. It is very nice and has been around for
years. They constantly upgrade add-ons. You could go to the download section
of v-bulletins page and upload the photo gallery plug in which would be very
cool. I am even happy to pitch in for bandwidth id it ends up needing to be
on a dedicated server after growing. My host does dedicated servers where
the one site is the only one on the server for only 59.00 per month. It is
rather cheap.
Talk to you soon
James
888-266-0210
Oh, p.s. the links on the freedom flyers home page has one bad link I
noticed. It is this http://www.epanelbuilder.com/ not epanelplanner.com just
need to change planner to builder.I am excited. I really like it.
_____
From: Scott Schmidt [mailto:sschmidt@ussynthetic.com]
Sent: Monday, August 16, 2004 4:16 PM
To: RV10@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [RV10] Re: 5 seat RV-10
The rear seats are included. They just don't have cushions. The front
seats that come with the kit are not covered with anything though. They
are just foam. I think many people think they come with leather on them
but they don't. Oregon Aero will cover the seats for $600 a seat.
Oregon Aero also said that the rear seats covered with leather will be
$400 - $600 each.
Scott Schmidt
USSynthetic Product Manager
1260 South 1600 West
Orem UT 84058
Phone: 801-235-9001
Fax: 801-235-9141
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From: James McClow [mailto:james@mcclowsrv10.com]
Sent: Monday, August 16, 2004 1:59 PM
To: RV10@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [RV10] Re: 5 seat RV-10
The back seats are not included? That is not cool at all. Heck, look in
any
kit plane magazine ad of the rv 10 and the headline reads. "there's
something new with vans aircraft, voices from the backseat". So
basically is
voices from milk crates. I am shocked about this. Are you sure? The
whole
reason most of us are building the 10 is to have voices from the back
seat.
I think we all need to send an email to vans! I really do. Tell them
that we
feel it doesn't make sense to not include the back seats on a four
passenger
airplane. It doesn't sound right at all but nothing surprises me
personally
much any more. I really think we all need to lobby Vans and get this
standard. I mean my plane will have my kids in the back when we come to
meet
all of you guys at flying.I guess egg crates are cheaper but I am
thinking
an FAA ramp check wouldn't go so well with the kids sitting on milk
crates.
LOL (just kidding). Let's start lobbying now for the seats to be
included so
when they start shipping the finish kits in late September they will be
included. Just my thoughts, it just doesn't seem right or make sense.
Did
Vans tell you this when trying to order?
James
191
www.mcclowsrv10.com <http://www.mcclowsrv10.com/>
_____
From: townsetm [mailto:yooper@alum.mit.edu]
Sent: Sunday, August 15, 2004 8:56 PM
To: RV10@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [RV10] Re: 5 seat RV-10
We're planning on 3 harnesses in the rear. Probably not a bench, per
se, but probably the two regular seats, plus a little sheet metal
(back) and some cushions to fill the gap between the two seats, plus
a third harness mounted in the middle.
Although maybe skip the two seats and get a true bench like is
implied. If enough people wanted one, maybe Oregon Aero could make
up a bench. Could be pricey, though, for the engineering work.
BTW, my understanding is that the front seats come in the finish kit,
but the rear seats are either a) optional, or b) up to you. I think
that's a little lame, since everybody is going to want rear seats.
Why not include them in the kit?
TDT
40025
--- In RV10@yahoogroups.com, Steven Longdon <chksix71@y...> wrote:
> Is there anyone out there looking at the possibility of making the
rear seat a 3 place bench? With Socata and now Mooney offering this
option I have to ask myself if it can be done.
>
> I have 3 small boys and intend to replace my C-310 with the RV-10.
I've looked over the Weight and Balance info I have and it looks very
promising.
>
> Steve Longdon
> Chief Pilot
> Capital Quest, Inc.
> Louisville, TN
>
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Author: "townsetm" <yooper@...> Time: Tue Aug 17, 2004 9:29 am PDT Link
Very interesting article on the RV-10 seats in the Kitplanes magazine
either June or July issue. The Oregon Aero guys seem to know their
stuff. We'll probably pony up for the rear seats too, to give them
the same crash-worthiness as the fronts.
TDT
--- In RV10@yahoogroups.com, "Brian Denk" <akroguy@h...> wrote:
>
> >We're planning on 3 harnesses in the rear. Probably not a bench,
per
> >se, but probably the two regular seats, plus a little sheet metal
> >(back) and some cushions to fill the gap between the two seats,
plus
> >a third harness mounted in the middle.
> >
> >Although maybe skip the two seats and get a true bench like is
> >implied. If enough people wanted one, maybe Oregon Aero could make
> >up a bench. Could be pricey, though, for the engineering work.
> >
> >BTW, my understanding is that the front seats come in the finish
kit,
> >but the rear seats are either a) optional, or b) up to you. I
think
> >that's a little lame, since everybody is going to want rear seats.
> >Why not include them in the kit?
> >
> >TDT
> >40025
> It's kind of a mixed bag with the seats. The fronts as spec'd for
the
> finish kit are the seat frames, mounts and cushions without
covering. So
> yeah, you get seats, but until they're covered, they gonna be
ugly! As for
> the backs, they're standard RV....formed sheet with angle sides for
the seat
> backs hinged to the floor. Fill 'em with a foam cushion and make a
seat
> bottom to match and stick 'em on with velcro. Very typical here.
Works
> fine and is very lightweight. Those front seats on the other hand,
are
> probably not going in my airplane. The $4k pricetag has already
been
> debated here so I won't go into it.
>
> Brian Denk
> RV8 N94BD
> RV10 '51
>
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Author: "townsetm" <yooper@...> Time: Tue Aug 17, 2004 9:32 am PDT Link
Don't let the Oregon Aero folks hear you call it "just foam"!!
P.S. I don't think a slab of aluminum counts as "rear seats
included" . . . .
TDT
--- In RV10@yahoogroups.com, "Scott Schmidt" <sschmidt@u...> wrote:
> The rear seats are included. They just don't have cushions. The
front
> seats that come with the kit are not covered with anything though.
They
> are just foam. I think many people think they come with leather on
them
> but they don't. Oregon Aero will cover the seats for $600 a seat.
> Oregon Aero also said that the rear seats covered with leather will
be
> $400 - $600 each.
>
> Scott Schmidt
> USSynthetic Product Manager
> 1260 South 1600 West
> Orem UT 84058
> Phone: 801-235-9001
> Fax: 801-235-9141
> Cell: 801-319-3094
> sschmidt@u...
> ________________________________
>
> From: James McClow [mailto:james@m...]
> Sent: Monday, August 16, 2004 1:59 PM
> To: RV10@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: RE: [RV10] Re: 5 seat RV-10
>
> The back seats are not included? That is not cool at all. Heck,
look in
> any
> kit plane magazine ad of the rv 10 and the headline reads. "there's
> something new with vans aircraft, voices from the backseat". So
> basically is
> voices from milk crates. I am shocked about this. Are you sure? The
> whole
> reason most of us are building the 10 is to have voices from the
back
> seat.
>
> I think we all need to send an email to vans! I really do. Tell them
> that we
> feel it doesn't make sense to not include the back seats on a four
> passenger
> airplane. It doesn't sound right at all but nothing surprises me
> personally
> much any more. I really think we all need to lobby Vans and get this
> standard. I mean my plane will have my kids in the back when we
come to
> meet
> all of you guys at flying.I guess egg crates are cheaper but I am
> thinking
> an FAA ramp check wouldn't go so well with the kids sitting on milk
> crates.
> LOL (just kidding). Let's start lobbying now for the seats to be
> included so
> when they start shipping the finish kits in late September they
will be
> included. Just my thoughts, it just doesn't seem right or make
sense.
> Did
> Vans tell you this when trying to order?
>
> James
> 191
> www.mcclowsrv10.com <http://www.mcclowsrv10.com/>
>
> _____
>
> From: townsetm [mailto:yooper@a...]
> Sent: Sunday, August 15, 2004 8:56 PM
> To: RV10@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [RV10] Re: 5 seat RV-10
> We're planning on 3 harnesses in the rear. Probably not a bench,
per
> se, but probably the two regular seats, plus a little sheet metal
> (back) and some cushions to fill the gap between the two seats,
plus
> a third harness mounted in the middle.
>
> Although maybe skip the two seats and get a true bench like is
> implied. If enough people wanted one, maybe Oregon Aero could make
> up a bench. Could be pricey, though, for the engineering work.
>
> BTW, my understanding is that the front seats come in the finish
kit,
> but the rear seats are either a) optional, or b) up to you. I
think
> that's a little lame, since everybody is going to want rear seats.
> Why not include them in the kit?
>
> TDT
> 40025
>
> --- In RV10@yahoogroups.com, Steven Longdon <chksix71@y...> wrote:
> > Is there anyone out there looking at the possibility of making
the
> rear seat a 3 place bench? With Socata and now Mooney offering this
> option I have to ask myself if it can be done.
> >
> > I have 3 small boys and intend to replace my C-310 with the RV-
10.
> I've looked over the Weight and Balance info I have and it looks
very
> promising.
> >
> > Steve Longdon
> > Chief Pilot
> > Capital Quest, Inc.
> > Louisville, TN
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Author: "Lloyd, Daniel R." <lloyddr@...> Time: Tue Aug 17, 2004 9:33 am PDT Link
I agree with what you say about mandatory use. None of us have to put
them in the plane, but we might have to buy them. I agree that they want
their kits to be as safe as possible, and what better (for litigation
purposes) to say "We went the extra mile to have custom seat
frames/seats designed by the leading company the military uses for
impact survivability, and the customer bought them as part of the kit
but after the fact chose not to install them"
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From: Brian Denk [mailto:akroguy@hotmail.com]
Sent: Monday, August 16, 2004 5:46 PM
To: RV10@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [RV10] Re: 5 seat RV-10
>From what has been explained to me, the front seats are a mandatory
>item. They were designed to sit directly on the spar and they are
needed
>to absorb impact in the event of a hard landing. During my discussion
on
>the phone with Vans hey said they will be offered in two standard
>colors, and if you wanted something else you could contact Oregon and
>have them do them for you, but you will not have the option of leaving
>the seats out. Anyone else find out anything different?
Nothing is mandatory. You are the manufacturer. You decide. Van's
wants
their kits to be as safe as humanly possible.
Van's is staffed with human beings. Each has his/her view of what is
necessary, prudent, safe, not safe, silly, waste of time, etc. The
person I
chatted w/ while there this spring stated (as I interpret his words)
that
basically, to each his own. If you want maximum impact protection, the
$4k
seats are the only way to achieve it. Yes, they are expensive. Do you
have
to use them? No. This is an EXPERIMENTAL AIRCRAFT.
At that time, the seats were not going to be covered with anything, but
they
were talking w/ a local upholstery company that does their demonstrator
airplanes for some kind of quote for fabric, leather, vinyl, or blends
of
these, done up in your choice of a few standard colors and schemes. It
was
still highly speculative at that time so maybe they have locked in a
deal by
now. If I do use these seats (hey, I could be pursuaded...but just not
right now!), I would have them covered by a family friend who covered my
RV8
seats for me. He does great work (wins showcar events in California all
the
time) and is very reasonably priced. If Van's can get enough builders
to
specify so and so color with so and so scheme, then perhaps volume
pricing
would be beneficial. From the number of kits sold, I'd say this could
happen!
Brian Denk
RV8 N94BD
RV10 '51
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Author: Rick Sked <heeder777@...> Time: Tue Aug 17, 2004 1:50 pm PDT Link
"Ra'Viver. (MacGyver.get it .ok, corny I know!!!)"
You got to be kidding right? That doesn't even come close to corny......Don't tell me...you buck rivets with a pocket knife too???
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Author: "James McClow" <james@...> Time: Wed Aug 18, 2004 3:28 am PDT Link
WOW, You should see the cleco tool I made out of tin foil...Tough
crowd...what ever happened to havin fun? Me, I live to enjoy
life : ) . Seats, milk crates, racing seats, a couple or four barko
loungers? It's all good!
James
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