Author: "Dan Checkoway" <dan@...> Time: Sat Dec 1, 2001 2:48 am PST Link
Yep, the spacing will be different for every stiffener. I used a rivet
spacing fan from Avery...buy/borrow/steal one, or have fun measuring.
Each stiffener had slightly different spacing. Of course the top and bottom
stiffener for the same station had the same spacing...
)_( Dan
----- Original Message -----
From: <azav8or@y...>
To: <RV7and7A@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Friday, November 30, 2001 4:33 PM
Subject: [RV7and7A] Elevator Rivet Spacing
> I am at the point of fabricating the elevator stiffeners and I am not
> sure about rivet spacing. On the rudder skin they are evenly spaced
> at 1 1/8" on ALL stiffners. Are they supposed to be the same distance
> apart on all elevator stiffeners? Is there different spacing for
> each? I guess with the even spacing on the rudder I am just leery
> about drilling until I know for sure. Will each stiffener have a
> different gap between rivets?
>
> Thanks in advance,
> Joe Manning
> N1227A Reserved
> Van's Air Force - World Wide Wing
> www.vansaircraft.net
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Author: john smith <rjd734@...> Time: Fri Dec 7, 2001 11:21 pm PST Link
ok. now that we have that settled, "what the heck is
ACETATE?" and where do you get it? I apologize for
my ignorance.
--- manlosangeles@y... wrote:
> I once worked in a weld-shop with a grizzled
> old-timer. I watched as
> he made a drafting table for his son's birthday. He
> eyeballed
> everything and never measured or used notes or
> pencil or markings of
> any kind at any time. In the space of 45 minutes I
> saw him fabricate
> the most beautiful drafting metal drafting table
> I've ever seen,
> complete with adjustable legs, custom adjustment
> knobs, etc. He
> stood it up, and it was perfectly aligned.
>
> So... does anyone know of somebody putting together
> an RV without
> regard to measuring rivets, just eyeballing it? I
> bet somewhere
> there's somebody flying a plane that never got
> within 25 yards of a
> ruler, fan or acetate. Come on, guys, especially
> you macho
> taildragger pilots, you can do it!
>
> --- In RV7and7A@y..., "Andy Russell"
> <russella111@h...> wrote:
> > The acetate is a tool - throw it in the box - you
> will use it
> hundreds of times in the cours of building - well
> maybe not- I built
> three RV-6s from the box - the first two were not
> pre drilled at
> all. The RV-7, as I understand is completely
> pre-drilled.
> >
> > As for spacing on the ends - the acetate can be
> moved back and
> forth until you have the right spacing and edge
> distance. worked
> perfect for me on 9 control surfaces.
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Dan Checkoway
> > To: RV7and7A@y...
> > Sent: Saturday, December 01, 2001 10:52 AM
> > Subject: Re: [RV7and7A] Elevator Rivet Spacing
> > With this approach, you will undoubtedly have
> too much space at
> the trailing edge end of some spacers. With the
> spacing fan, you can
> get uniform spacing there.
> >
> > Why waste acetate when you can reuse the fan
> over and over
> again? Plus, for all the applications that a rivet
> fan covers, you'd
> have to have *several* pieces of acetate, all long
> enough for the
> longer applications (as opposed to these short
> stiffeners).
> >
> > Just my opinion...take it with a grain of sand.
> >
> > )_( Dan
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Andy Russell
> > To: RV7and7A@y...
> > Sent: Saturday, December 01, 2001 8:06 AM
> > Subject: Re: [RV7and7A] Elevator Rivet Spacing
> > OK. Here we go again - another freebee tip on
> getting the
> rivet spacing the same and an easy tool to do it.
> > http://www.armaerospace.com/
> > 1. Junk the fan - women use these to keep
> cool.
> > 2. Get yourself a thick piece of clear
> acetate - I use 1/8"
> > 3. Make several 1" wide strips about 2' long
> or longer if you
> like.
> > 4. Mark a center line and mark holes at 1"
> intervals, 1.5" on
> another, etc.
> > 5. Drill #40 hiles along the centerline at
> the marked
> spacing.
> > 6. Now you have a cheap easy to line up tool
> for marking rivet
> locations. This is my favorite tool.
> > 7. Buy an aircraft lift and cheat the hanger
> lessor out of
> $350 per month.
> >
> > Andy Russell
> > ARM Aerospace
> > 480-213-7671
> > http://www.armaerospace.com/
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Dan Checkoway
> > To: RV7and7A@y...
> > Sent: Saturday, December 01, 2001 3:45 AM
> > Subject: Re: [RV7and7A] Elevator Rivet
> Spacing
> > Yep, the spacing will be different for every
> stiffener. I
> used a rivet
> > spacing fan from Avery...buy/borrow/steal
> one, or have fun
> measuring.
> >
> > Each stiffener had slightly different
> spacing. Of course the
> top and bottom
> > stiffener for the same station had the same
> spacing...
> >
> > )_( Dan
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: <azav8or@y...>
> > To: <RV7and7A@y...>
> > Sent: Friday, November 30, 2001 4:33 PM
> > Subject: [RV7and7A] Elevator Rivet Spacing
> > > I am at the point of fabricating the
> elevator stiffeners
> and I am not
> > > sure about rivet spacing. On the rudder
> skin they are
> evenly spaced
> > > at 1 1/8" on ALL stiffners. Are they
> supposed to be the
> same distance
> > > apart on all elevator stiffeners? Is there
> different
> spacing for
> > > each? I guess with the even spacing on the
> rudder I am just
> leery
> > > about drilling until I know for sure. Will
> each stiffener
> have a
> > > different gap between rivets?
> > >
> > > Thanks in advance,
> > > Joe Manning
> > > N1227A Reserved
> > > Van's Air Force - World Wide Wing
> > > www.vansaircraft.net
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Author: rsamuelson@... Time: Sun Dec 30, 2001 4:18 pm PST Link
I suspect we've been here before but I didn't take notes...
Is there a best rivet pattern on the elevator stiffeners? Seems to me I could
try to hold about 1.5 inch spacing on all the stiffeners (some would have
more rivets,some less) or use the same number on each with small spacing on
the short ones?
Roy Samuelson
Ready to roll the rudder (still)
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