Author: "dljinia" <dljinia@...> Time: Wed Dec 12, 2001 8:42 am PST Link
Group,
I am trying to define my minimum instrument configuration. I
want to establish the baseline from a cost perspective and move up
according to finances. Two base assumptions are 1) legal IFR 2) all
electric. Looking at 91.205 defines the minimum for me. My minimums
at this point are: 2 comm radios (1 could be handheld with plug for
antenna), 1 VOR with GS, handheld GPS, slip-skid indicator and the
gyro instruments. This is where it gets interesting. I don't know
what my options are for legal IFR. It states gyro rate of turn
indicator. OK, can handle that. Gyro Artificial Horizon and
directional gyro (DG or equivalent)
I know that I can buy electric versions of the 3 gyroscopic
instruments but they are expensive. Are there other legal IFR
alternatives to electric gyros?(besides vacuum) How do the solid-
state devices that are on the market for experimentals fit into legal
IFR?
I file IFR with a certified panel mounted GPS but the reality is that
I use the Anywhere Map on an Compaq IPAQ while in the air. I'm very
happy with the hand held. I know that I couldn't file direct IFR
with the hand held, but could use it for backup nav to the VOR.
Would installing a certified GPS meet the DG equivalent?
Sorry for the ramblings but I assume that some of you are further
along on this path than I and can provide some thoughts.
Thanks in advance,
Doug Jones
dljinia@y...
http://members.home.net/jonesinia/RV7
Author: "robert_paisley" <robert@...> Time: Wed Dec 12, 2001 9:02 am PST Link
Hi Doug,
I'm in the same instrument mode as you. We frequently need IFR here
to get above the haze to clear skies. So I want basic IFR capability.
My thought is to use the six primary flight instruments (vacuum or
electric) along with the VOR, and panel mount my Garmin 295 GPS. The
295 is great for VFR (and very affordable).
Why do you need two radios?
Robert Paisley
--- In RV7and7A@y..., "dljinia" <dljinia@y...> wrote:
> Group,
> I am trying to define my minimum instrument configuration. I
> want to establish the baseline from a cost perspective and move up
> according to finances. Two base assumptions are 1) legal IFR 2)
all
> electric. Looking at 91.205 defines the minimum for me. My
minimums
> at this point are: 2 comm radios (1 could be handheld with plug
for
> antenna), 1 VOR with GS, handheld GPS, slip-skid indicator and the
> gyro instruments. This is where it gets interesting. I don't know
> what my options are for legal IFR. It states gyro rate of turn
> indicator. OK, can handle that. Gyro Artificial Horizon and
> directional gyro (DG or equivalent)
> I know that I can buy electric versions of the 3 gyroscopic
> instruments but they are expensive. Are there other legal IFR
> alternatives to electric gyros?(besides vacuum) How do the solid-
> state devices that are on the market for experimentals fit into
legal
> IFR?
>
> I file IFR with a certified panel mounted GPS but the reality is
that
> I use the Anywhere Map on an Compaq IPAQ while in the air. I'm
very
> happy with the hand held. I know that I couldn't file direct IFR
> with the hand held, but could use it for backup nav to the VOR.
> Would installing a certified GPS meet the DG equivalent?
>
> Sorry for the ramblings but I assume that some of you are further
> along on this path than I and can provide some thoughts.
>
> Thanks in advance,
> Doug Jones
> dljinia@y...
> http://members.home.net/jonesinia/RV7
Author: "Dan Checkoway" <dan@...> Time: Wed Dec 12, 2001 9:26 am PST Link
Nope, you'll defnitely need a DG in addition to your GPS.
My 2 cents about dual comm radios...
I can't live without 2 radios because I want to be able to pick up ATIS
while sticking with approach. When the controller is really busy, or when
you're in a high-traffic area and you're getting traffic advisories left and
right, it's useful to be able to listen to ATIS while sticking with your
controller.
I figure I'll pop a fairly inexpensive used unit in for my 2nd comm.
)_( Dan
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----- Original Message -----
From: "robert_paisley" <robert@p...>
To: <RV7and7A@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, December 12, 2001 9:02 AM
Subject: [RV7and7A] Re: Minimum IFR instruments
> Hi Doug,
> I'm in the same instrument mode as you. We frequently need IFR here
> to get above the haze to clear skies. So I want basic IFR capability.
> My thought is to use the six primary flight instruments (vacuum or
> electric) along with the VOR, and panel mount my Garmin 295 GPS. The
> 295 is great for VFR (and very affordable).
>
> Why do you need two radios?
>
> Robert Paisley
> --- In RV7and7A@y..., "dljinia" <dljinia@y...> wrote:
> > Group,
> > I am trying to define my minimum instrument configuration. I
> > want to establish the baseline from a cost perspective and move up
> > according to finances. Two base assumptions are 1) legal IFR 2)
> all
> > electric. Looking at 91.205 defines the minimum for me. My
> minimums
> > at this point are: 2 comm radios (1 could be handheld with plug
> for
> > antenna), 1 VOR with GS, handheld GPS, slip-skid indicator and the
> > gyro instruments. This is where it gets interesting. I don't know
> > what my options are for legal IFR. It states gyro rate of turn
> > indicator. OK, can handle that. Gyro Artificial Horizon and
> > directional gyro (DG or equivalent)
> > I know that I can buy electric versions of the 3 gyroscopic
> > instruments but they are expensive. Are there other legal IFR
> > alternatives to electric gyros?(besides vacuum) How do the solid-
> > state devices that are on the market for experimentals fit into
> legal
> > IFR?
> >
> > I file IFR with a certified panel mounted GPS but the reality is
> that
> > I use the Anywhere Map on an Compaq IPAQ while in the air. I'm
> very
> > happy with the hand held. I know that I couldn't file direct IFR
> > with the hand held, but could use it for backup nav to the VOR.
> > Would installing a certified GPS meet the DG equivalent?
> >
> > Sorry for the ramblings but I assume that some of you are further
> > along on this path than I and can provide some thoughts.
> >
> > Thanks in advance,
> > Doug Jones
> > dljinia@y...
> > http://members.home.net/jonesinia/RV7
> Van's Air Force - World Wide Wing
> www.vansaircraft.net
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Author: "robert_paisley" <robert@...> Time: Wed Dec 12, 2001 9:34 am PST Link
Good input Dan,
So what would be nice is one two way radio and one receiver. Does
anyone make a radio that does that in one unit?
Robert
--- In RV7and7A@y..., "Dan Checkoway" <dan@r...> wrote:
>
> I can't live without 2 radios because I want to be able to pick up
ATIS
> while sticking with approach. >
> )_( Dan
> do not archive
Author: Paul Pocock <ppocock@...> Time: Wed Dec 12, 2001 9:34 am PST Link
Can you be legal IFR with just a G-295 and a VOR? I thought you needed 2
legal NAV devices?
Paul Pocock
At 05:02 PM 12/12/01 +0000, you wrote:
>Hi Doug,
>I'm in the same instrument mode as you. We frequently need IFR here
>to get above the haze to clear skies. So I want basic IFR capability.
>My thought is to use the six primary flight instruments (vacuum or
>electric) along with the VOR, and panel mount my Garmin 295 GPS. The
>295 is great for VFR (and very affordable).
>
>Why do you need two radios?
>
>Robert Paisley
>--- In RV7and7A@y..., "dljinia" <dljinia@y...> wrote:
> > Group,
> > I am trying to define my minimum instrument configuration. I
> > want to establish the baseline from a cost perspective and move up
> > according to finances. Two base assumptions are 1) legal IFR 2)
>all
> > electric. Looking at 91.205 defines the minimum for me. My
>minimums
> > at this point are: 2 comm radios (1 could be handheld with plug
>for
> > antenna), 1 VOR with GS, handheld GPS, slip-skid indicator and the
> > gyro instruments. This is where it gets interesting. I don't know
> > what my options are for legal IFR. It states gyro rate of turn
> > indicator. OK, can handle that. Gyro Artificial Horizon and
> > directional gyro (DG or equivalent)
> > I know that I can buy electric versions of the 3 gyroscopic
> > instruments but they are expensive. Are there other legal IFR
> > alternatives to electric gyros?(besides vacuum) How do the solid-
> > state devices that are on the market for experimentals fit into
>legal
> > IFR?
> >
> > I file IFR with a certified panel mounted GPS but the reality is
>that
> > I use the Anywhere Map on an Compaq IPAQ while in the air. I'm
>very
> > happy with the hand held. I know that I couldn't file direct IFR
> > with the hand held, but could use it for backup nav to the VOR.
> > Would installing a certified GPS meet the DG equivalent?
> >
> > Sorry for the ramblings but I assume that some of you are further
> > along on this path than I and can provide some thoughts.
> >
> > Thanks in advance,
> > Doug Jones
> > dljinia@y...
> > http://members.home.net/jonesinia/RV7
>Van's Air Force - World Wide Wing
>www.vansaircraft.net
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Author: "Dan Checkoway" <dan@...> Time: Wed Dec 12, 2001 9:37 am PST Link
May as well get a cheap 5-watt two-way if you're going to bother. There are
lots of fairly inexpensive options, especially if you're willing to go used.
)_( Dan
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----- Original Message -----
From: "robert_paisley" <robert@p...>
To: <RV7and7A@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, December 12, 2001 9:34 AM
Subject: [RV7and7A] Re: Minimum IFR instruments
> Good input Dan,
> So what would be nice is one two way radio and one receiver. Does
> anyone make a radio that does that in one unit?
> Robert
> --- In RV7and7A@y..., "Dan Checkoway" <dan@r...> wrote:
> >
> > I can't live without 2 radios because I want to be able to pick up
> ATIS
> > while sticking with approach. >
> > )_( Dan
> > do not archive
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Author: Paul Pocock <ppocock@...> Time: Wed Dec 12, 2001 9:39 am PST Link
One more question, while on the subject.
Would the Tru Trak digital DG serve as a legal replacement for a round gyro DG?
Paul Pocock
At 12:35 PM 12/12/01 -0500, you wrote:
>Can you be legal IFR with just a G-295 and a VOR? I thought you needed 2
>legal NAV devices?
>
>Paul Pocock
>At 05:02 PM 12/12/01 +0000, you wrote:
> >Hi Doug,
> >I'm in the same instrument mode as you. We frequently need IFR here
> >to get above the haze to clear skies. So I want basic IFR capability.
> >My thought is to use the six primary flight instruments (vacuum or
> >electric) along with the VOR, and panel mount my Garmin 295 GPS. The
> >295 is great for VFR (and very affordable).
> >
> >Why do you need two radios?
> >
> >Robert Paisley
> >--- In RV7and7A@y..., "dljinia" <dljinia@y...> wrote:
> > > Group,
> > > I am trying to define my minimum instrument configuration. I
> > > want to establish the baseline from a cost perspective and move up
> > > according to finances. Two base assumptions are 1) legal IFR 2)
> >all
> > > electric. Looking at 91.205 defines the minimum for me. My
> >minimums
> > > at this point are: 2 comm radios (1 could be handheld with plug
> >for
> > > antenna), 1 VOR with GS, handheld GPS, slip-skid indicator and the
> > > gyro instruments. This is where it gets interesting. I don't know
> > > what my options are for legal IFR. It states gyro rate of turn
> > > indicator. OK, can handle that. Gyro Artificial Horizon and
> > > directional gyro (DG or equivalent)
> > > I know that I can buy electric versions of the 3 gyroscopic
> > > instruments but they are expensive. Are there other legal IFR
> > > alternatives to electric gyros?(besides vacuum) How do the solid-
> > > state devices that are on the market for experimentals fit into
> >legal
> > > IFR?
> > >
> > > I file IFR with a certified panel mounted GPS but the reality is
> >that
> > > I use the Anywhere Map on an Compaq IPAQ while in the air. I'm
> >very
> > > happy with the hand held. I know that I couldn't file direct IFR
> > > with the hand held, but could use it for backup nav to the VOR.
> > > Would installing a certified GPS meet the DG equivalent?
> > >
> > > Sorry for the ramblings but I assume that some of you are further
> > > along on this path than I and can provide some thoughts.
> > >
> > > Thanks in advance,
> > > Doug Jones
> > > dljinia@y...
> > > http://members.home.net/jonesinia/RV7
> >Van's Air Force - World Wide Wing
> >www.vansaircraft.net
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Author: Tom Caruthers <tomcaruthers@...> Time: Wed Dec 12, 2001 9:43 am PST Link
UPS makes a slimline radio, the SL30 that can monitor
the standby frequency. A quote from their website ad,
"The SL30, the smallest Nav/Comm on the market, is
loaded with features and functionality. The only
Nav/Comm with the ability to monitor the standby comm
frequency"
Thought this might help.
Tom Caruthers
RV-7A, emp almost done, wings on order
--- robert_paisley <robert@p...>
wrote:
> Good input Dan,
> So what would be nice is one two way radio and one
> receiver. Does
> anyone make a radio that does that in one unit?
> Robert
> --- In RV7and7A@y..., "Dan Checkoway" <dan@r...>
> wrote:
> >
> > I can't live without 2 radios because I want to be
> able to pick up
> ATIS
> > while sticking with approach. >
> > )_( Dan
> > do not archive
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Author: "robert_paisley" <robert@...> Time: Wed Dec 12, 2001 9:53 am PST Link
Tom,
Do you have the UPS URL?
Robert
--- In RV7and7A@y..., Tom Caruthers <tomcaruthers@y...> wrote:
> UPS makes a slimline radio, the SL30 that can monitor
> the standby frequency. A quote from their website ad,
> "The SL30, the smallest Nav/Comm on the market, is
> loaded with features and functionality. The only
> Nav/Comm with the ability to monitor the standby comm
> frequency"
>
> Thought this might help.
>
> Tom Caruthers
> RV-7A, emp almost done, wings on order
>
> --- robert_paisley <robert@p...>
> wrote:
> > Good input Dan,
> > So what would be nice is one two way radio and one
> > receiver. Does
> > anyone make a radio that does that in one unit?
> > Robert
> > --- In RV7and7A@y..., "Dan Checkoway" <dan@r...>
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > I can't live without 2 radios because I want to be
> > able to pick up
> > ATIS
> > > while sticking with approach. >
> > > )_( Dan
> > > do not archive
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Author: "LT Chris Hayle" <dchayle@...> Time: Wed Dec 12, 2001 9:56 am PST Link
Try the bluemountain avionics EFIS/ONE. (www.bluemountainavionics.com) It
goes for $9600 and replaces nearly every instrument you can think of. I
plan on putting the EFIS, an SL-30 NAV/COMM, Transponder, and a back up
electric turn coordinator and my panel will be IFR ready. There is also an
option for a 3-axis autopilot for an additional 2500. Hope this helps.
Chris Hayle, RV7 Wings just completed, fuselage kit ships next week!
-----Original Message-----
From: Tom Caruthers [mailto:tomcaruthers@y...]
Sent: Wednesday, December 12, 2001 12:43 PM
To: RV7and7A@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [RV7and7A] Re: Minimum IFR instruments
UPS makes a slimline radio, the SL30 that can monitor
the standby frequency. A quote from their website ad,
"The SL30, the smallest Nav/Comm on the market, is
loaded with features and functionality. The only
Nav/Comm with the ability to monitor the standby comm
frequency"
Thought this might help.
Tom Caruthers
RV-7A, emp almost done, wings on order
--- robert_paisley <robert@p...>
wrote:
> Good input Dan,
> So what would be nice is one two way radio and one
> receiver. Does
> anyone make a radio that does that in one unit?
> Robert
> --- In RV7and7A@y..., "Dan Checkoway" <dan@r...>
> wrote:
> >
> > I can't live without 2 radios because I want to be
> able to pick up
> ATIS
> > while sticking with approach. >
> > )_( Dan
> > do not archive
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Author: Tom Caruthers <tomcaruthers@...> Time: Wed Dec 12, 2001 9:58 am PST Link
The UPS URL for general aviation is
http://www.upsat.com/gen_home.shtml
Tom
--- robert_paisley <robert@p...>
wrote:
> Tom,
> Do you have the UPS URL?
> Robert
>
> --- In RV7and7A@y..., Tom Caruthers
> <tomcaruthers@y...> wrote:
> > UPS makes a slimline radio, the SL30 that can
> monitor
> > the standby frequency. A quote from their website
> ad,
> > "The SL30, the smallest Nav/Comm on the market, is
> > loaded with features and functionality. The only
> > Nav/Comm with the ability to monitor the standby
> comm
> > frequency"
> >
> > Thought this might help.
> >
> > Tom Caruthers
> > RV-7A, emp almost done, wings on order
> >
> > --- robert_paisley <robert@p...>
> > wrote:
> > > Good input Dan,
> > > So what would be nice is one two way radio and
> one
> > > receiver. Does
> > > anyone make a radio that does that in one unit?
> > > Robert
> > > --- In RV7and7A@y..., "Dan Checkoway" <dan@r...>
> > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > I can't live without 2 radios because I want
> to be
> > > able to pick up
> > > ATIS
> > > > while sticking with approach. >
> > > > )_( Dan
> > > > do not archive
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Author: "Daniel Masys, M.D." <dmasys@...> Time: Wed Dec 12, 2001 10:16 am PST Link
At 12:39 PM 12/12/2001 -0500, you wrote:
>One more question, while on the subject.
>
>Would the Tru Trak digital DG serve as a legal replacement for a round
>gyro DG?
>
>Paul Pocock
No, I talked with Jim Younkin, its inventor, and he says they are
considering making a product that would be DG display that slaves from the
TruTrak circuitry, but are not certain they want to do this at this
point. To which I would add that my guess is IFR certification costs would
be prohibitive. Also, if I remember correctly, he said the TruTrak picks
up its DG information from the GPS and then calculates differences, so that
if the GPS signal stops arriving the unit will continue to show a heading.
>From the perspective of failure modes, it is much better to have an
independent source of DG information anyway. Relying on one box for most
everything that keeps the shiny side up has some pretty ugly scenarios when
the lights go out.
Having experienced vacuum, electrical, and single instrument failures in my
bird at various times, am a big fan of hedging bets across a variety of
independent systems. It's not *if* one of them rolls over and dies, it's
just when.
Dan Masys
RV7A -wings
Author: "dljinia" <dljinia@...> Time: Wed Dec 12, 2001 10:39 am PST Link
Robert,
I should have been clear on the 2 radio part. As Dan replied,
more for my personal mode of operation than anything else.
Ok, I pulled up Aircraft Spruce web site. The 2 primary electric
gyros... AI & DG $1745 each for RC Allen. $993 for "Import" brand.
The question... Do we need to insure that the instruments that we put
into the experimental plane meet the same certification for IFR as a
production plane?
Point being... I'd sure want the best AI that I could afford if I was
in instrument conditions. DG.. have GPS, have compass, have vectors
for center so would consider off brand for DG.
All the other goodies are just that in IFR. Opinion expressed and we
each have our own.. they are great and I'd love to have a glass
cockpit but I'm really just concerned with getting above a layer and
then back down. Don't plan hard continuous IFR in this bird.
Doug
-- In RV7and7A@y..., "robert_paisley" <robert@p...> wrote:
> Hi Doug,
> I'm in the same instrument mode as you. We frequently need IFR here
> to get above the haze to clear skies. So I want basic IFR
capability.
> My thought is to use the six primary flight instruments (vacuum or
> electric) along with the VOR, and panel mount my Garmin 295 GPS.
The
> 295 is great for VFR (and very affordable).
>
> Why do you need two radios?
>
> Robert Paisley
> --- In RV7and7A@y..., "dljinia" <dljinia@y...> wrote:
> > Group,
> > I am trying to define my minimum instrument configuration. I
> > want to establish the baseline from a cost perspective and move
up
> > according to finances. Two base assumptions are 1) legal IFR 2)
> all
> > electric. Looking at 91.205 defines the minimum for me. My
> minimums
> > at this point are: 2 comm radios (1 could be handheld with plug
> for
> > antenna), 1 VOR with GS, handheld GPS, slip-skid indicator and
the
> > gyro instruments. This is where it gets interesting. I don't
know
> > what my options are for legal IFR. It states gyro rate of turn
> > indicator. OK, can handle that. Gyro Artificial Horizon and
> > directional gyro (DG or equivalent)
> > I know that I can buy electric versions of the 3 gyroscopic
> > instruments but they are expensive. Are there other legal IFR
> > alternatives to electric gyros?(besides vacuum) How do the solid-
> > state devices that are on the market for experimentals fit into
> legal
> > IFR?
> >
> > I file IFR with a certified panel mounted GPS but the reality is
> that
> > I use the Anywhere Map on an Compaq IPAQ while in the air. I'm
> very
> > happy with the hand held. I know that I couldn't file direct IFR
> > with the hand held, but could use it for backup nav to the VOR.
> > Would installing a certified GPS meet the DG equivalent?
> >
> > Sorry for the ramblings but I assume that some of you are further
> > along on this path than I and can provide some thoughts.
> >
> > Thanks in advance,
> > Doug Jones
> > dljinia@y...
> > http://members.home.net/jonesinia/RV7
Author: "robert_paisley" <robert@...> Time: Wed Dec 12, 2001 11:01 am PST Link
OK,
So the next question is: For minimum IFR legality, which instruments
(if any) must be TSO'd? Let's assume 6 primary instruments plus
VOR (w/ILS,GS) on the panel.
Robert
I'm really just concerned with getting above a layer and
> then back down. Don't plan hard continuous IFR in this bird.
>
> Doug
Author: "dljinia" <dljinia@...> Time: Wed Dec 12, 2001 4:09 pm PST Link
OK,
I agree with the question... so what's the answer. Then the next
question from an extremely "green" builder.... can I install the
TSO'ed equipment or does it have to be done by a certified shop ???
Robert, on the positive side (at least for me) it looks like you'll
have to know the answer before me (: Of course on the negative (at
least for me) I'll still be driving rivets while you're out enjoying
the view from above.
Doug
--- In RV7and7A@y..., "robert_paisley" <robert@p...> wrote:
> OK,
> So the next question is: For minimum IFR legality, which
instruments
> (if any) must be TSO'd? Let's assume 6 primary instruments plus
> VOR (w/ILS,GS) on the panel.
> Robert
> I'm really just concerned with getting above a layer and
> > then back down. Don't plan hard continuous IFR in this bird.
> >
> > Doug
Author: "dljinia" <dljinia@...> Time: Wed Dec 12, 2001 4:09 pm PST Link
OK,
I agree with the question... so what's the answer. Then the next
question from an extremely "green" builder.... can I install the
TSO'ed equipment or does it have to be done by a certified shop ???
Robert, on the positive side (at least for me) it looks like you'll
have to know the answer before me (: Of course on the negative (at
least for me) I'll still be driving rivets while you're out enjoying
the view from above.
Doug
--- In RV7and7A@y..., "robert_paisley" <robert@p...> wrote:
> OK,
> So the next question is: For minimum IFR legality, which
instruments
> (if any) must be TSO'd? Let's assume 6 primary instruments plus
> VOR (w/ILS,GS) on the panel.
> Robert
> I'm really just concerned with getting above a layer and
> > then back down. Don't plan hard continuous IFR in this bird.
> >
> > Doug
Author: "robert_paisley" <robert@...> Time: Wed Dec 12, 2001 7:43 pm PST Link
Doug,
Yes, you can install any of the instrumentation yourself. Or any
other certified or non certified equipment for that matter. But, I'm
still not 100% clear on the IFR "certification" of the aircraft and
what that process is exactly.
Robert
--- In RV7and7A@y..., "dljinia" <dljinia@y...> wrote:
> OK,
> I agree with the question... so what's the answer. Then the next
> question from an extremely "green" builder.... can I install the
> TSO'ed equipment or does it have to be done by a certified shop ???
>
> Robert, on the positive side (at least for me) it looks like you'll
> have to know the answer before me (: Of course on the negative
(at
> least for me) I'll still be driving rivets while you're out
enjoying
> the view from above.
>
> Doug
Author: "dljinia" <dljinia@...> Time: Wed Dec 12, 2001 8:07 pm PST Link
Robert,
Thanks for the info. Hopefully, some -6 or -8 builder that has
completed their plane with IFR config will jump in and describe what
they had to do.
Doug
--- In RV7and7A@y..., "robert_paisley" <robert@p...> wrote:
> Doug,
> Yes, you can install any of the instrumentation yourself. Or any
> other certified or non certified equipment for that matter. But,
I'm
> still not 100% clear on the IFR "certification" of the aircraft and
> what that process is exactly.
> Robert
>
> --- In RV7and7A@y..., "dljinia" <dljinia@y...> wrote:
> > OK,
> > I agree with the question... so what's the answer. Then the
next
> > question from an extremely "green" builder.... can I install the
> > TSO'ed equipment or does it have to be done by a certified
shop ???
> >
> > Robert, on the positive side (at least for me) it looks like
you'll
> > have to know the answer before me (: Of course on the negative
> (at
> > least for me) I'll still be driving rivets while you're out
> enjoying
> > the view from above.
> >
> > Doug
Author: "amitdaganus" <amitdagan@...> Time: Wed Dec 12, 2001 8:34 pm PST Link
Just two points I'd like to add to this discussion:
1. there is another transceiver with the monitoring of the standby
frequency out there, despite what UPSAT wants you to think.
It's the microair (http://www.microair.com.au/product/760SL.asp).
see for yourself:"...Monitor function to receiver both active and
standby channels ..."
2. I believe that if you ask around you'll see people have different
opinions about how many TSO'd nav aids you need to be legally IFR
equiped, but as far as the FARs are conserned, you only need to have
your pitot system, transponder and altimeter (and the elt too)
checked by a qualified facility.
As far as GPSs go, panel mounted ones have a feature hand held ones
don't, I forget the name of it, but it monitors the qulity of the
signals received, and decides if it is good enough for triangulation,
otherwise it will warn the user that it is not relyable.
14 cfr 91.171, 91.207, 91.411, 91.413)
I am no expert on this subject, just educated by others who have
walked the same path.
One last thing-
As this is the RV-7 list, don't expect any rv-8 or 6 builders to tune
in, unless they are now building a-7.
Amit.
PS -for the spelling police:
have fun at my spelling.
Author: John Burman <john_burman@...> Time: Thu Dec 13, 2001 2:41 am PST Link
previous question:
As far as GPSs go, panel mounted ones have a feature
hand held ones don´t have.
I think you mean RAIM.I think the funktion is solely
for IFR approaches.
Search for RAIM at garmins homesite!
I have included Garmins explanation:
RAIM
Receiver Autonomous Integrity Monitoring - A GPS
receiver system that would allow the receiver to
detect incorrect signals being transmitted by the
satellites by comparing solutions with different sets
of satellites.
http://www.garmin.com/
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Author: "Steve A. Rodgers" <steve@...> Time: Thu Dec 13, 2001 12:03 pm PST Link
Several of the questions re: IFR requirements and certification are
answered in the RV-LIST FAQ at:
http://www.edt.com/homewing/faq.html
See the section titled: "Is it legal to fly IFR in an RV? What are the
equipment requirements?"
If you haven't reviewed this FAQ, or it's been a while since you have
reviewed it, I highly recommend it. I find it very useful to review
occasionally because I always find something in there relevant to what I'm
currently working on, or have had problems with.
Now if someone could just research and summarize the current FAR sections
referenced that would be great! :)
Cheers!
At 11:41 AM 12/13/2001 +0100, you wrote:
>previous question:
>As far as GPSs go, panel mounted ones have a feature
>hand held ones don´t have.
>
>I think you mean RAIM.I think the funktion is solely
>for IFR approaches.
>Search for RAIM at garmins homesite!
>
>I have included Garmins explanation:
>RAIM
>Receiver Autonomous Integrity Monitoring - A GPS
>receiver system that would allow the receiver to
>detect incorrect signals being transmitted by the
>satellites by comparing solutions with different sets
>of satellites.
>
>http://www.garmin.com/
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Author: "davidd010" <david010@...> Time: Thu Dec 13, 2001 5:49 pm PST Link
John,
IFR GPS systems have a RAIM warning light, the DREADED RAIM warning
light.
I got all spun up on it the last time I renewed the CFII. And sure
enough, on an IFR currency check ride with a friend, it came on
during the approach. It is a manditory miss and if the airport does
not have VOR or other approach, it's off an alternate.
Hand held units do not have the RAIM feature but then they are not
certified for IFR anyhow and should not be used. For sure guys do
use them for cross country but I wouldn't for an approach.
dd