Author: "Ron Milligan" <ronmilligan@...> Time: Sat Dec 15, 2001 5:12 pm PST Link
I am down to 4 rivets on my VS and I can't figure out how to smashem. They
are the 4 rivets that hold the skin to the rear spar on either side of the
middle rudder hinge brackets. I bought a no hole squeezer from Avery which
solved a lot of my problems but it did not work here. I thought about
bucking them but I don't think I can hold the bar square on them. The
combined thickness of the stiffener, hinge bracket, and rivet head makes it
almost impossible. Any suggestions?
Ron Milligan
N16HN (reserved)
VS Done (well 4 rivets from being done)
Author: "Steve A. Rodgers" <steve@...> Time: Sun Dec 16, 2001 1:42 pm PST Link
Ron,
I had the same issue. Initially, I tried the no-hole yoke but I had to
drill out my first two rivets. I wound up using a rivet gun with a flush
rivet set and a footed bucking bar. It was still tight and the rivets were
slightly tipped over. Kind of ugly, but I think they're fine. I would
like to hear how others set these four rivets.
At 05:06 PM 12/15/2001 -0800, you wrote:
>I am down to 4 rivets on my VS and I can't figure out how to smashem. They
>are the 4 rivets that hold the skin to the rear spar on either side of the
>middle rudder hinge brackets. I bought a no hole squeezer from Avery which
>solved a lot of my problems but it did not work here. I thought about
>bucking them but I don't think I can hold the bar square on them. The
>combined thickness of the stiffener, hinge bracket, and rivet head makes it
>almost impossible. Any suggestions?
>
>Ron Milligan
>N16HN (reserved)
>VS Done (well 4 rivets from being done)
>Van's Air Force - World Wide Wing
>www.vansaircraft.net
>Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Author: "Steve Miller" <sw-n729sk@...> Time: Sun Dec 16, 2001 6:54 pm PST Link
Ron,
I was at the point you are at a couple of days ago. I/we found that an old
carpenters tool call a "cats claw" makes a perfect bucking tool for places
just such as this and the thin narrow ends of the rudder and elevator skins.
The one I have is about 12" long and 1-1/2" wide but only 1/4" thick. The
straight (almost) end is sharpened to a poi and will fit into spaces of 1/8"
or less. The entire weight of the bar is about 2 lbs and the overall length
gives ample leverage for use as a bucking bar. I don't know if places like
Lowes or Home Depot will have one of these but the old fashioned hometown
lumber yards should. I have had mine for years.
Hope this helps,
Steve Miller
----- Original Message -----
From: "Ron Milligan" <ronmilligan@h...>
To: "RV7and7A" <RV7and7A@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Saturday, December 15, 2001 7:06 PM
Subject: [RV7and7A] VS Riveting Question
> I am down to 4 rivets on my VS and I can't figure out how to smashem.
They
> are the 4 rivets that hold the skin to the rear spar on either side of the
> middle rudder hinge brackets. I bought a no hole squeezer from Avery
which
> solved a lot of my problems but it did not work here. I thought about
> bucking them but I don't think I can hold the bar square on them. The
> combined thickness of the stiffener, hinge bracket, and rivet head makes
it
> almost impossible. Any suggestions?
>
> Ron Milligan
> N16HN (reserved)
> VS Done (well 4 rivets from being done)
> Van's Air Force - World Wide Wing
> www.vansaircraft.net
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Author: "Steve Miller" <sw-n729sk@...> Time: Sun Dec 16, 2001 6:56 pm PST Link
Steve,
I was at the point you are at a couple of days ago. I/we found that an old
carpenters tool call a "cats claw" makes a perfect bucking tool for places
just such as this and the thin narrow ends of the rudder and elevator skins.
The one I have is about 12" long and 1-1/2" wide but only 1/4" thick. The
straight (almost) end is sharpened to a poi and will fit into spaces of 1/8"
or less. The entire weight of the bar is about 2 lbs and the overall length
gives ample leverage for use as a bucking bar. I don't know if places like
Lowes or Home Depot will have one of these but the old fashioned hometown
lumber yards should. I have had mine for years.
Hope this helps,
Steve Miller
----- Original Message -----
From: "Steve A. Rodgers" <steve@p...>
To: <RV7and7A@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, December 16, 2001 3:42 PM
Subject: Re: [RV7and7A] VS Riveting Question
> Ron,
>
> I had the same issue. Initially, I tried the no-hole yoke but I had to
> drill out my first two rivets. I wound up using a rivet gun with a flush
> rivet set and a footed bucking bar. It was still tight and the rivets
were
> slightly tipped over. Kind of ugly, but I think they're fine. I would
> like to hear how others set these four rivets.
>
> At 05:06 PM 12/15/2001 -0800, you wrote:
> >I am down to 4 rivets on my VS and I can't figure out how to smashem.
They
> >are the 4 rivets that hold the skin to the rear spar on either side of
the
> >middle rudder hinge brackets. I bought a no hole squeezer from Avery
which
> >solved a lot of my problems but it did not work here. I thought about
> >bucking them but I don't think I can hold the bar square on them. The
> >combined thickness of the stiffener, hinge bracket, and rivet head makes
it
> >almost impossible. Any suggestions?
> >
> >Ron Milligan
> >N16HN (reserved)
> >VS Done (well 4 rivets from being done)
> >Van's Air Force - World Wide Wing
> >www.vansaircraft.net
> >Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
> Van's Air Force - World Wide Wing
> www.vansaircraft.net
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Author: "Ellis H Mcgaughy" <ellis.h.mcgaughy-1@...> Time: Mon Dec 17, 2001 4:34 am PST Link
I got the smallest, no hole yoke from Avery (I think it is either a 1" or
1.5"). Then, I ground down the nose just a tad .... and with a little
patience, I was able to get into this tight spot and squeeze these rivets
on the VS rear spar.
Author: rsamuelson@... Time: Mon Dec 17, 2001 8:02 am PST Link
Steve - I used the same approach with the same results. I like the suggestion
of using the 'cat's paw'. I have another tool in my contractors bag - called
a pry bar. I t has one end bent off at a right angle for about 2 inches. It's
about 1/4 inch thick and may have sufficient mass to make a bucking bar. I'll
try it next time.
Roy Samuelson
ready to prime rudder
Author: "diablowilnet" <diablowilnet@...> Time: Mon Dec 17, 2001 8:27 am PST Link
Steve,
I think what you are referring to as a "cats claw" is more
commonly known as a "Wonder Bar" (trade name) or flat nail puller.
This tool is shaped sorta like a flattened crowbar with a 90 degree
bend at the end and has chisel like points at both ends, is about 1.5"
wide and 12" long. Its common uses are cutting nails that are
sandwiched between two pieces such as shingles. I can see it being
handy for a bucking bar in tight spaces and is usually fairly
reasonably priced ($6 - $11).
The tool that we normally call a cats claw or cats paw is about
10" long, has a plastic covered handle of about 5" and has a 90 degree
tip with very sharpened points that are designed to dig into wood to
remove flush set nails.This tool is round or octagonal and is about the
size of a thumb in diameter. It too could definitely be used for
bucking rivets in tight places although with the sharp points one would
really have to be careful not to punch through the skins.
I'm not trying to correct your description but just trying to help
describe the tools for someone not familiar with woodworking so they
can go to their local Lowes or Home Depot and get another tool for
their collection!(insert Tim Allen ugh, ugh, ugh here!)
Good luck and Happy Holidays to all,
Gene Jones
PS. Lowes does have these and they would make good stocking stuffers
for yourselves!!! Toy for the kids, tool for pops; game for kids,
building video for pops. Remember if the kids or wife want expensive
toys or jewelry they should be matched with good useful avionics for
yourselves!!!
--- In RV7and7A@y..., "Steve Miller" <sw-n729sk@h...> wrote:
> Steve,
>
> I was at the point you are at a couple of days ago. I/we found that an old
> carpenters tool call a "cats claw" makes a perfect bucking tool for places
> just such as this and the thin narrow ends of the rudder and elevator skins.
> The one I have is about 12" long and 1-1/2" wide but only 1/4" thick. The
> straight (almost) end is sharpened to a poi and will fit into spaces of 1/8"
> or less. The entire weight of the bar is about 2 lbs and the overall length
> gives ample leverage for use as a bucking bar. I don't know if places like
> Lowes or Home Depot will have one of these but the old fashioned hometown
> lumber yards should. I have had mine for years.
>
> Hope this helps,
>
> Steve Miller