Author: Clifford Dow <cdowjr@...> Time: Sun Jan 13, 2002 8:31 am PST Link
Brake Pedal assemble
This question might be best answered by someone who
already owns an RV-6.
We have the rudder pedals made out of white pipe
which create a rectangular in which the brake pedals
are mounted. I have the brake pedals mounted on the
two screws on which they pivot. The brake cylinder is
hanging from the top mount and I am now ready to mount
the lower bolt which connects to bottom of the brake
cylinder to the tab which sticks out on the brake
pedal. At this point I can make the brake OFF pedal
position so the brake pedal lines up right in line
with the white pipe. I could also make the brake OFF
pedal position stick out a bit (the top would then be
OUT towards the pilot – no longer in line with the
white pipe). I could also make the brake pedal stick
IN a slight bit (in it’s OFF position). The question
is which is the best set up? It’s all a matter of
where I drill the hole to mount the lower brake
cylinder.
Thanks Cliff Dow Jr.
Cdowjr@y...
Maine RV-7A Builder.
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Author: "robert_paisley" <robert@...> Time: Sun Jan 13, 2002 8:42 am PST Link
Cliff,
I had the same dilemma a couple of months ago. I ended up not
drilling the last hole. I'll do it when the assembly is in the plane
and I can test fit them with me sitting in the plane. Also keep in
mind that the left pedal and right pedal sit one in front of the
other at their top mount. This means for the bottom of the pedal bars
to be the same distance from the pilot, the bars hang at different
angles from their mounts. This means that the brake pedals will be at
different angles to their respective bars so that the brake pedals
appear at the same angle from the pilot view (or according to his
feet). As far a brake pedal angle, if you test fit them in the cabin
with you sitting in the cabin, I think the proper brake angle will be
self evident.
Robert
--- In RV7and7A@y..., Clifford Dow <cdowjr@y...> wrote:
> Brake Pedal assemble
>
> This question might be best answered by someone who
> already owns an RV-6.
> We have the rudder pedals made out of white pipe
> which create a rectangular in which the brake pedals
> are mounted. I have the brake pedals mounted on the
> two screws on which they pivot. The brake cylinder is
> hanging from the top mount and I am now ready to mount
> the lower bolt which connects to bottom of the brake
> cylinder to the tab which sticks out on the brake
> pedal. At this point I can make the brake OFF pedal
> position so the brake pedal lines up right in line
> with the white pipe. I could also make the brake OFF
> pedal position stick out a bit (the top would then be
> OUT towards the pilot – no longer in line with the
> white pipe). I could also make the brake pedal stick
> IN a slight bit (in it's OFF position). The question
> is which is the best set up? It's all a matter of
> where I drill the hole to mount the lower brake
> cylinder.
>
> Thanks Cliff Dow Jr.
> Cdowjr@y...
> Maine RV-7A Builder.
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Author: "rp10294648" <rpflanze2@...> Time: Mon Jan 14, 2002 4:43 am PST Link
Cliff,
Typically on the RV's, it is very difficult to apply rudder without
applying brakes because the pedals lean forward. It is very common
for new flyers in their first 100 hours to wear out a pair of brake
pads and tires as a result. (Just ask me!) You have to get used to
dropping the balls of your feet down on the cross bar when landing.
That said, I'd say anything you can do to "lay the pedal back" would
be a good thing. It will still seem too upright anyway, but it will
be better.
Randy
--- In RV7and7A@y..., Clifford Dow <cdowjr@y...> wrote:
> Brake Pedal assemble
>
> This question might be best answered by someone who
> already owns an RV-6.
> We have the rudder pedals made out of white pipe
> which create a rectangular in which the brake pedals
> are mounted. I have the brake pedals mounted on the
> two screws on which they pivot. The brake cylinder is
> hanging from the top mount and I am now ready to mount
> the lower bolt which connects to bottom of the brake
> cylinder to the tab which sticks out on the brake
> pedal. At this point I can make the brake OFF pedal
> position so the brake pedal lines up right in line
> with the white pipe. I could also make the brake OFF
> pedal position stick out a bit (the top would then be
> OUT towards the pilot – no longer in line with the
> white pipe). I could also make the brake pedal stick
> IN a slight bit (in it's OFF position). The question
> is which is the best set up? It's all a matter of
> where I drill the hole to mount the lower brake
> cylinder.
>
> Thanks Cliff Dow Jr.
> Cdowjr@y...
> Maine RV-7A Builder.
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Author: Clifford Dow <cdowjr@...> Time: Mon Jan 14, 2002 6:53 am PST Link
Randy:
Please further define "lay the peddal back" Do you
mean the top of the brake peddal would be further
towards the back of the airplane? If so, then in the
brake peddal off position the top of the brake peddal
would be out a bit from the white rectangular box (the
rudder peddal)?
I think i'll do what Robert Piasley suggested and just
wait until I get things further progressed to drill
that lower brake cylinder hole - that way I can sit in
it and kind of make an assessment on my own. However,
your further thoughts would be appreciated.
Intuition would lead one to position the off brake
peddal position so it was in line with the white
rudder peddal sidebars. I'm thinking perhaps the top
slightly back or forward might be a better position -
it's easy to make this modification on new
construction - so I thought i"d ask.
Thx
cliff dow jr
cdowjr@Y...
--- rp10294648 <rpflanze2@h...> wrote:
> Cliff,
>
> Typically on the RV's, it is very difficult to apply
> rudder without
> applying brakes because the pedals lean forward. It
> is very common
> for new flyers in their first 100 hours to wear out
> a pair of brake
> pads and tires as a result. (Just ask me!) You
> have to get used to
> dropping the balls of your feet down on the cross
> bar when landing.
>
> That said, I'd say anything you can do to "lay the
> pedal back" would
> be a good thing. It will still seem too upright
> anyway, but it will
> be better.
>
> Randy
>
> --- In RV7and7A@y..., Clifford Dow <cdowjr@y...>
> wrote:
> > Brake Pedal assemble
> >
> > This question might be best answered by someone
> who
> > already owns an RV-6.
> > We have the rudder pedals made out of white pipe
> > which create a rectangular in which the brake
> pedals
> > are mounted. I have the brake pedals mounted on
> the
> > two screws on which they pivot. The brake
> cylinder is
> > hanging from the top mount and I am now ready to
> mount
> > the lower bolt which connects to bottom of the
> brake
> > cylinder to the tab which sticks out on the brake
> > pedal. At this point I can make the brake OFF
> pedal
> > position so the brake pedal lines up right in line
> > with the white pipe. I could also make the brake
> OFF
> > pedal position stick out a bit (the top would then
> be
> > OUT towards the pilot – no longer in line with
> the
> > white pipe). I could also make the brake pedal
> stick
> > IN a slight bit (in it's OFF position). The
> question
> > is which is the best set up? It's all a matter
> of
> > where I drill the hole to mount the lower brake
> > cylinder.
> >
> > Thanks Cliff Dow Jr.
> > Cdowjr@y...
> > Maine RV-7A Builder.
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Author: "rp10294648" <rpflanze2@...> Time: Mon Jan 14, 2002 7:25 am PST Link
Cliff,
It doesn't matter whether the pedal is in-line with the
rudder "rectangle" or not. The bottom of the rectangle is used as
the rudder and the pedal as the brake so where it lines up doesn't
matter.
What I was referring to was adjusting the location of the brake
cylinder attach point to make the top of the pedal lay more forward
when in the resting position. If you search the archives of the RV-
List, you find some references to it. The taller you are, the more
pronounced the problem is and as a result, some taller folks move the
entire rudder assembly forward to both give them more leg room, and
to lessen the feeling that their ankles are bent back in order to
stay off the brakes.
I'm only 5'10" and it was still a little awkward. When you first
fly, you tend to treat the rudder pedals the same way you do when you
fly a Cessna and you can't do that. My first few takeoffs and
landings in a tailwheel were a little exciting because I was dragging
the brakes due to the geometry. I lessened the problem by wrapping
the bottom rudder tube with a piece of black hose (a common solution).
Some folks have re-built the bottom attach bracket to get the pedal
to lean forward more. I will probably do the same.
Randy
--- In RV7and7A@y..., Clifford Dow <cdowjr@y...> wrote:
> Randy:
> Please further define "lay the peddal back" Do you
> mean the top of the brake peddal would be further
> towards the back of the airplane? If so, then in the
> brake peddal off position the top of the brake peddal
> would be out a bit from the white rectangular box (the
> rudder peddal)?
> I think i'll do what Robert Piasley suggested and just
> wait until I get things further progressed to drill
> that lower brake cylinder hole - that way I can sit in
> it and kind of make an assessment on my own. However,
> your further thoughts would be appreciated.
> Intuition would lead one to position the off brake
> peddal position so it was in line with the white
> rudder peddal sidebars. I'm thinking perhaps the top
> slightly back or forward might be a better position -
> it's easy to make this modification on new
> construction - so I thought i"d ask.
> Thx
> cliff dow jr
> cdowjr@Y...
>
> --- rp10294648 <rpflanze2@h...> wrote:
> > Cliff,
> >
> > Typically on the RV's, it is very difficult to apply
> > rudder without
> > applying brakes because the pedals lean forward. It
> > is very common
> > for new flyers in their first 100 hours to wear out
> > a pair of brake
> > pads and tires as a result. (Just ask me!) You
> > have to get used to
> > dropping the balls of your feet down on the cross
> > bar when landing.
> >
> > That said, I'd say anything you can do to "lay the
> > pedal back" would
> > be a good thing. It will still seem too upright
> > anyway, but it will
> > be better.
> >
> > Randy
> >
> > --- In RV7and7A@y..., Clifford Dow <cdowjr@y...>
> > wrote:
> > > Brake Pedal assemble
> > >
> > > This question might be best answered by someone
> > who
> > > already owns an RV-6.
> > > We have the rudder pedals made out of white pipe
> > > which create a rectangular in which the brake
> > pedals
> > > are mounted. I have the brake pedals mounted on
> > the
> > > two screws on which they pivot. The brake
> > cylinder is
> > > hanging from the top mount and I am now ready to
> > mount
> > > the lower bolt which connects to bottom of the
> > brake
> > > cylinder to the tab which sticks out on the brake
> > > pedal. At this point I can make the brake OFF
> > pedal
> > > position so the brake pedal lines up right in line
> > > with the white pipe. I could also make the brake
> > OFF
> > > pedal position stick out a bit (the top would then
> > be
> > > OUT towards the pilot – no longer in line with
> > the
> > > white pipe). I could also make the brake pedal
> > stick
> > > IN a slight bit (in it's OFF position). The
> > question
> > > is which is the best set up? It's all a matter
> > of
> > > where I drill the hole to mount the lower brake
> > > cylinder.
> > >
> > > Thanks Cliff Dow Jr.
> > > Cdowjr@y...
> > > Maine RV-7A Builder.
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Author: "Paul Besing" <azpilot@...> Time: Mon Jan 14, 2002 7:49 am PST Link
I put mine tilted back towards the pilot at first, and realized that it would be even easier to activate the pedals than it would be if the pedals were tilted toward the firewall. I re drilled it to point the pedal forward, and it takes much more effort to activate the brakes which keeps me from inadvertantly applying the brake while turning the rudder.
Paul Besing
RV-6A N197AB Arizona
http://www.lacodeworks.com/besing
Flying
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--- In RV7and7A@y..., Clifford Dow <cdowjr@y...> wrote:
> Brake Pedal assemble
>
> This question might be best answered by someone who
> already owns an RV-6.
> We have the rudder pedals made out of white pipe
> which create a rectangular in which the brake pedals
> are mounted. I have the brake pedals mounted on the
> two screws on which they pivot. The brake cylinder is
> hanging from the top mount and I am now ready to mount
> the lower bolt which connects to bottom of the brake
> cylinder to the tab which sticks out on the brake
> pedal. At this point I can make the brake OFF pedal
> position so the brake pedal lines up right in line
> with the white pipe. I could also make the brake OFF
> pedal position stick out a bit (the top would then be
> OUT towards the pilot - no longer in line with the
> white pipe). I could also make the brake pedal stick
> IN a slight bit (in it's OFF position). The question
> is which is the best set up? It's all a matter of
> where I drill the hole to mount the lower brake
> cylinder.
>
> Thanks Cliff Dow Jr.
> Cdowjr@y...
> Maine RV-7A Builder.
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Author: Genev E Reed <Genevreed@...> Time: Mon Jan 14, 2002 5:00 pm PST Link
Cliff. Its hard to stay off the brakes when you push on the rudder
pedals. If you have the peddals leaning towards the pilot it only makes
it worse. Doyle Reed
On Sun, 13 Jan 2002 08:31:47 -0800 (PST) Clifford Dow <cdowjr@y...>
writes:
> Brake Pedal assemble
>
> This question might be best answered by someone who
> already owns an RV-6.
> We have the rudder pedals made out of white pipe
> which create a rectangular in which the brake pedals
> are mounted. I have the brake pedals mounted on the
> two screws on which they pivot. The brake cylinder is
> hanging from the top mount and I am now ready to mount
> the lower bolt which connects to bottom of the brake
> cylinder to the tab which sticks out on the brake
> pedal. At this point I can make the brake OFF pedal
> position so the brake pedal lines up right in line
> with the white pipe. I could also make the brake OFF
> pedal position stick out a bit (the top would then be
> OUT towards the pilot – no longer in line with the
> white pipe). I could also make the brake pedal stick
> IN a slight bit (in it’s OFF position). The question
> is which is the best set up? It’s all a matter of
> where I drill the hole to mount the lower brake
> cylinder.
>
> Thanks Cliff Dow Jr.
> Cdowjr@y...
> Maine RV-7A Builder.
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