Author: "Paul Besing" <azpilot@...> Time: Sun Jan 20, 2002 8:33 pm PST Link
Come on guys, don't let this happen here. This kind of thing already happens on the RV-List. If it is self promotion, then so be it. He has a service to offer to the homebuilt community and has a right to defend his product. I don't see him sending an email every week to the list saying "New Subaru Engine For Homebuilts". Alternative engines are a way of the future in aviation, and this subject should not be hindered on the fact that someone feels self promotion is not appropriate.
I promote my software in my signature every time I send an email. If it's builder related, then leave it alone. If it is spam, then all together it is an issue.
If self promotion really bothers you, then don't read the emails from the people that self promote.
Paul Besing
RV-6A N197AB Arizona
http://www.lacodeworks.com/besing
First Flight 22 July 01
Kitlog Pro Builder's Log Software
http://www.kitlog.com
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Author: Rich Reno <richr@...> Time: Sun Jan 20, 2002 10:05 pm PST Link
Thanks Paul,
Everyone is entitled to their own opinion. And everyone just
remember...there is a Subject line to each message and a DELETE key on
every keyboard. You don't have to raise your blood pressure. This stuff
is supposed to be fun.
Rich Reno (ordered empanage)
Paul Besing wrote:
> Come on guys, don't let this happen here. This kind of thing already
> happens on the RV-List. If it is self promotion, then so be it. He
> has a service to offer to the homebuilt community and has a right to
> defend his product. I don't see him sending an email every week to
> the list saying "New Subaru Engine For Homebuilts". Alternative
> engines are a way of the future in aviation, and this subject should
> not be hindered on the fact that someone feels self promotion is not
> appropriate.
>
> I promote my software in my signature every time I send an email. If
> it's builder related, then leave it alone. If it is spam, then all
> together it is an issue.
>
> If self promotion really bothers you, then don't read the emails from
> the people that self promote.
>
> Paul Besing
> RV-6A N197AB Arizona
> http://www.lacodeworks.com/besing
> First Flight 22 July 01
> Kitlog Pro Builder's Log Software
> http://www.kitlog.com
> re "Is it appropriate for this list to be used for commercial self
> promotion?"
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
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Author: "Phil Birkelbach" <phil@...> Time: Mon Jan 21, 2002 9:16 am PST Link
I agree with Paul. It would be one thing if the list was just another address in Jan's marketing list that he used to send out announcements and such, but when he makes a post it is usually either to let us know that another RV is flying with his engine or he is answering comments that were made about his engine on this list. He is not hiding the fact that he is the supplier and as such anyone smart enough to build their own airplane should be smart enough to realize that his opinion is biased (as it should be). I wish that we had more suppliers willing to answer questions on this list. I would like to hear from the Dynon Development folks, the Delta Hawk guys, Rocky Mountain, Tru Trak Flight Systems... The list goes on and on. We are here to build airplanes and to do that we all need engines, instruments, avionics, etc. Knowing what is out there is half the battle, then trudging through the hype is the other half. This list helps us accomplish both.
Thanks for letting me vent. Godspeed all.
Phil Birkelbach
RV-7 - N727WB (Reserved) - http://www.myrv7.com
Houston, Texas
Wings - Fuse ordered
Takeoffs are optional, Landings are mandatory.
----- Original Message -----
From: Paul Besing
To: RV7and7A@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, January 20, 2002 10:32 PM
Subject: [RV7and7A] Self Promotion
Come on guys, don't let this happen here. This kind of thing already happens on the RV-List. If it is self promotion, then so be it. He has a service to offer to the homebuilt community and has a right to defend his product. I don't see him sending an email every week to the list saying "New Subaru Engine For Homebuilts". Alternative engines are a way of the future in aviation, and this subject should not be hindered on the fact that someone feels self promotion is not appropriate.
I promote my software in my signature every time I send an email. If it's builder related, then leave it alone. If it is spam, then all together it is an issue.
If self promotion really bothers you, then don't read the emails from the people that self promote.
Paul Besing
RV-6A N197AB Arizona
http://www.lacodeworks.com/besing
First Flight 22 July 01
Kitlog Pro Builder's Log Software
http://www.kitlog.com
re "Is it appropriate for this list to be used for commercial self
promotion?"
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Author: "Kevin Haslebacher" <khaslebacher@...> Time: Mon Jan 21, 2002 9:35 am PST Link
I just want to second Phil's letter. Jan's participation in this group is
considered by me an asset. We don't get the opportunity to discuss things
openly with other suppliers, so that should be considered a benefit. I wish
more would participate. I also think that, until more RV's are flying with
his engine package, that he is our best source of information. Once more
aircraft are flying, we will get to hear what others have to say. Until that
time, Jan does a good job of answering our concerns and questions and I
encourage that to continue.
These forums are for information exchange, and I see Jan's responses more in
line with that and less "advertising" than one expect from someone in his
position. And as someone else said earlier .... there's always the delete
key if you don't like it! :-)
Good day to all.
Kevin
N742KH
-----Original Message-----
From: Phil Birkelbach [mailto:phil@p...]
Sent: Monday, January 21, 2002 9:17 AM
To: RV7and7A@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [RV7and7A] Self Promotion
I agree with Paul. It would be one thing if the list was just another
address in Jan's marketing list that he used to send out announcements and
such, but when he makes a post it is usually either to let us know that
another RV is flying with his engine or he is answering comments that were
made about his engine on this list. He is not hiding the fact that he is
the supplier and as such anyone smart enough to build their own airplane
should be smart enough to realize that his opinion is biased (as it should
be). I wish that we had more suppliers willing to answer questions on this
list. I would like to hear from the Dynon Development folks, the Delta Hawk
guys, Rocky Mountain, Tru Trak Flight Systems... The list goes on and on.
We are here to build airplanes and to do that we all need engines,
instruments, avionics, etc. Knowing what is out there is half the battle,
then trudging through the hype is the other half. This list helps us
accomplish both.
Thanks for letting me vent. Godspeed all.
Phil Birkelbach
RV-7 - N727WB (Reserved) - http://www.myrv7.com
Houston, Texas
Wings - Fuse ordered
Takeoffs are optional, Landings are mandatory.
----- Original Message -----
From: Paul Besing
To: RV7and7A@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, January 20, 2002 10:32 PM
Subject: [RV7and7A] Self Promotion
Come on guys, don't let this happen here. This kind of thing already
happens on the RV-List. If it is self promotion, then so be it. He has a
service to offer to the homebuilt community and has a right to defend his
product. I don't see him sending an email every week to the list saying
"New Subaru Engine For Homebuilts". Alternative engines are a way of the
future in aviation, and this subject should not be hindered on the fact that
someone feels self promotion is not appropriate.
I promote my software in my signature every time I send an email. If it's
builder related, then leave it alone. If it is spam, then all together it
is an issue.
If self promotion really bothers you, then don't read the emails from the
people that self promote.
Paul Besing
RV-6A N197AB Arizona
http://www.lacodeworks.com/besing
First Flight 22 July 01
Kitlog Pro Builder's Log Software
http://www.kitlog.com
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