Author: "Martin Gomez" <mlg28@...> Time: Mon Oct 11, 2004 4:52 pm PDT Link
And as for when to do it, it's buried in a long step that includes a
bunch of "HS-404 to HS-702 to HS-405" type words. And you'll need an
angle drill or a long drill bit (I just did this an hour or two ago.)
-----------------------------------
Martin Gomez
MLG28@cornell.edu
Northern Virginia, USA
RV-7 Empennage, 27 hrs of building to date
On Monday, October 11, 2004, Richard & Roberta Hegy wrote:
>Look carefully at section D-D and you will see the callout and location
>of the rivets. They are AN470AD4-5, all HS-404 to HS-702 to HS-405.
>
>Its kinda hard to see.
>
>Roberta
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Greg Larson
> To: RV7and7A@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Sunday, October 10, 2004 11:28 PM
> Subject: Re: [RV7Yahoo] Fluting Ribs (& new question)
> Thanks guys (& Roberta),
>
> Yeah, now I definitely see the difference. A little work and they're
> straight as an arrow and fit much better now.
>
> Another quick question... the plans or manual doesn't call (as far as
> I can tell) for a rivet on the aft flange of HS-404. Since the upper
> & lower portions have been notched out to accomodate HS-710 & 714,
> the only place for a rivet is the center. Is that correct - does the
> aft flange just sit there without a rivet?
>
> Thanks, Greg
>
> --- In RV7and7A@yahoogroups.com, "Bill Swaim" <bill@m...> wrote:
> >
> > Yes fluting is required. As below, flanges need to be at 90 deg to
> web,
> > flute very lightly, using a hand seamer to gently squeeze if you go
> too far.
> > The idea here is to be able to lay a straight edge along the holes
> & have
> > them line up, as the skin holes they are attached to are lined up.
> May not
> > be so noticeable in some areas, but is a must do!
> >
> > Bill Swaim
> > RV7 - Wings on 10/18
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: LR Frey [mailto:lrogerfrey@y...]
> > Sent: Saturday, October 09, 2004 6:34 PM
> > To: RV7and7A@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: Re: [RV7Yahoo] Fluting Ribs
> > Yea Greg, I think flutting is required. Pretty good and good are
> two
> > different things. Perfect is not required. The reference to the
> diagrams
> > is a hold over from when there were no prepunched holes, they were
> trying to
> > keep you from fluting where a hole would be drilled.... just flute
> between
> > the prepunched holes and you are good. Before fluting tho, be sure
> your
> > flanges are at 90 degree angles to the web, then flute to get the
> ribs
> > straight as they lay on the table. When you are done fluting, the
> flanges
> > will again be off the 90 degree angle, just readjust a few times
> and all
> > will be well. Takes practice. When I started it was a 30 minute
> deal per
> > rib, now I expect it would take 3 minutes tops. Of course I've been
> working
> > on this $&#*^ thing for three years. "I'm getin bet-r tho"
> >
> > Hope this helps, Larry
> > Greg Larson <hanzonn@e...> wrote:
> > Greetings,
> >
> > I think I'm missing something here. Pg. 6-2 of the manual talks
> about
> > fluting HS 404, 405, 706, & 707. It also refers to section 5N
> (fluting),
> > which states "fluting diagrams for the empennage, wing ribs and
> bulkheads
> > are shown on the plans where required." I can't find any diagrams
> or notes
> > showing which ribs are required to be fluted. I already clecoed
> the left
> > skin without fluting and it seems to fit pretty well, so is it
> necessary or
> > not?
> >
> > Thanks, Greg
> > RV-7(A?)
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Author: "DonVS" <dsvs@...> Time: Mon Oct 11, 2004 10:23 pm PDT Link
For a shot of the easy way to drill this check out www.dvsrv7.com and go to
the Nov11, 2003 page. The third picture down is what you should see. Hope
this helps. Don
-----Original Message-----
From: Martin Gomez [mailto:mlg28@cornell.edu]
Sent: Monday, October 11, 2004 4:08 PM
To: RV7and7A@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re(2): [RV7Yahoo] Fluting Ribs (& new question)
And as for when to do it, it's buried in a long step that includes a
bunch of "HS-404 to HS-702 to HS-405" type words. And you'll need an
angle drill or a long drill bit (I just did this an hour or two ago.)
-----------------------------------
Martin Gomez
MLG28@cornell.edu
Northern Virginia, USA
RV-7 Empennage, 27 hrs of building to date
On Monday, October 11, 2004, Richard & Roberta Hegy wrote:
>Look carefully at section D-D and you will see the callout and location
>of the rivets. They are AN470AD4-5, all HS-404 to HS-702 to HS-405.
>
>Its kinda hard to see.
>
>Roberta
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Greg Larson
> To: RV7and7A@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Sunday, October 10, 2004 11:28 PM
> Subject: Re: [RV7Yahoo] Fluting Ribs (& new question)
> Thanks guys (& Roberta),
>
> Yeah, now I definitely see the difference. A little work and they're
> straight as an arrow and fit much better now.
>
> Another quick question... the plans or manual doesn't call (as far as
> I can tell) for a rivet on the aft flange of HS-404. Since the upper
> & lower portions have been notched out to accomodate HS-710 & 714,
> the only place for a rivet is the center. Is that correct - does the
> aft flange just sit there without a rivet?
>
> Thanks, Greg
>
> --- In RV7and7A@yahoogroups.com, "Bill Swaim" <bill@m...> wrote:
> >
> > Yes fluting is required. As below, flanges need to be at 90 deg to
> web,
> > flute very lightly, using a hand seamer to gently squeeze if you go
> too far.
> > The idea here is to be able to lay a straight edge along the holes
> & have
> > them line up, as the skin holes they are attached to are lined up.
> May not
> > be so noticeable in some areas, but is a must do!
> >
> > Bill Swaim
> > RV7 - Wings on 10/18
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: LR Frey [mailto:lrogerfrey@y...]
> > Sent: Saturday, October 09, 2004 6:34 PM
> > To: RV7and7A@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: Re: [RV7Yahoo] Fluting Ribs
> > Yea Greg, I think flutting is required. Pretty good and good are
> two
> > different things. Perfect is not required. The reference to the
> diagrams
> > is a hold over from when there were no prepunched holes, they were
> trying to
> > keep you from fluting where a hole would be drilled.... just flute
> between
> > the prepunched holes and you are good. Before fluting tho, be sure
> your
> > flanges are at 90 degree angles to the web, then flute to get the
> ribs
> > straight as they lay on the table. When you are done fluting, the
> flanges
> > will again be off the 90 degree angle, just readjust a few times
> and all
> > will be well. Takes practice. When I started it was a 30 minute
> deal per
> > rib, now I expect it would take 3 minutes tops. Of course I've been
> working
> > on this $&#*^ thing for three years. "I'm getin bet-r tho"
> >
> > Hope this helps, Larry
> > Greg Larson <hanzonn@e...> wrote:
> > Greetings,
> >
> > I think I'm missing something here. Pg. 6-2 of the manual talks
> about
> > fluting HS 404, 405, 706, & 707. It also refers to section 5N
> (fluting),
> > which states "fluting diagrams for the empennage, wing ribs and
> bulkheads
> > are shown on the plans where required." I can't find any diagrams
> or notes
> > showing which ribs are required to be fluted. I already clecoed
> the left
> > skin without fluting and it seems to fit pretty well, so is it
> necessary or
> > not?
> >
> > Thanks, Greg
> > RV-7(A?)
> > San Diego
> > Van's Air Force - World Wide Wing
> > www.vansaircraft.net
> > Yahoo! Groups SponsorADVERTISEMENT
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Author: "Greg R. Larson, D.C." <hanzonn@...> Time: Tue Oct 12, 2004 10:33 am PDT Link
Yeah, I see it in the remarks. Not real clear on the drawing like the
upper & lower two holes, though.
Thanks, Greg
-----Original Message-----
From: Martin Gomez [mailto:mlg28@cornell.edu]
Sent: Monday, October 11, 2004 4:08 PM
To: RV7and7A@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re(2): [RV7Yahoo] Fluting Ribs (& new question)
And as for when to do it, it's buried in a long step that includes a
bunch of "HS-404 to HS-702 to HS-405" type words. And you'll need an
angle drill or a long drill bit (I just did this an hour or two ago.)
-----------------------------------
Martin Gomez
MLG28@cornell.edu
Northern Virginia, USA
RV-7 Empennage, 27 hrs of building to date
On Monday, October 11, 2004, Richard & Roberta Hegy wrote:
>Look carefully at section D-D and you will see the callout and location
>of the rivets. They are AN470AD4-5, all HS-404 to HS-702 to HS-405.
>
>Its kinda hard to see.
>
>Roberta
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Greg Larson
> To: RV7and7A@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Sunday, October 10, 2004 11:28 PM
> Subject: Re: [RV7Yahoo] Fluting Ribs (& new question)
> Thanks guys (& Roberta),
>
> Yeah, now I definitely see the difference. A little work and they're
> straight as an arrow and fit much better now.
>
> Another quick question... the plans or manual doesn't call (as far as
> I can tell) for a rivet on the aft flange of HS-404. Since the upper
> & lower portions have been notched out to accomodate HS-710 & 714,
> the only place for a rivet is the center. Is that correct - does the
> aft flange just sit there without a rivet?
>
> Thanks, Greg
>
> --- In RV7and7A@yahoogroups.com, "Bill Swaim" <bill@m...> wrote:
> >
> > Yes fluting is required. As below, flanges need to be at 90 deg to
> web,
> > flute very lightly, using a hand seamer to gently squeeze if you go
> too far.
> > The idea here is to be able to lay a straight edge along the holes
> & have
> > them line up, as the skin holes they are attached to are lined up.
> May not
> > be so noticeable in some areas, but is a must do!
> >
> > Bill Swaim
> > RV7 - Wings on 10/18
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: LR Frey [mailto:lrogerfrey@y...]
> > Sent: Saturday, October 09, 2004 6:34 PM
> > To: RV7and7A@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: Re: [RV7Yahoo] Fluting Ribs
> > Yea Greg, I think flutting is required. Pretty good and good are
> two
> > different things. Perfect is not required. The reference to the
> diagrams
> > is a hold over from when there were no prepunched holes, they were
> trying to
> > keep you from fluting where a hole would be drilled.... just flute
> between
> > the prepunched holes and you are good. Before fluting tho, be sure
> your
> > flanges are at 90 degree angles to the web, then flute to get the
> ribs
> > straight as they lay on the table. When you are done fluting, the
> flanges
> > will again be off the 90 degree angle, just readjust a few times
> and all
> > will be well. Takes practice. When I started it was a 30 minute
> deal per
> > rib, now I expect it would take 3 minutes tops. Of course I've been
> working
> > on this $&#*^ thing for three years. "I'm getin bet-r tho"
> >
> > Hope this helps, Larry
> > Greg Larson <hanzonn@e...> wrote:
> > Greetings,
> >
> > I think I'm missing something here. Pg. 6-2 of the manual talks
> about
> > fluting HS 404, 405, 706, & 707. It also refers to section 5N
> (fluting),
> > which states "fluting diagrams for the empennage, wing ribs and
> bulkheads
> > are shown on the plans where required." I can't find any diagrams
> or notes
> > showing which ribs are required to be fluted. I already clecoed
> the left
> > skin without fluting and it seems to fit pretty well, so is it
> necessary or
> > not?
> >
> > Thanks, Greg
> > RV-7(A?)
> > San Diego
> > Van's Air Force - World Wide Wing
> > www.vansaircraft.net
> > Yahoo! Groups SponsorADVERTISEMENT
> > ---------------------------------
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