Author: "ksouthar" <Keith_Southard@...> Time: Mon Oct 7, 2002 5:43 am PDT Link
I am near complete on the empennage kit and will be working on the
fiberglass tips within the next week.
Looking for recommendations on lighting options. Plans are for
strobe and position lights enclosed in the wing tips and a
combination position/strobe for the tail. Looks like Van's "option
6" kit meets the requirements.
Comments and suggestions?
Keith
Empennage hours away from done
Fastbuild Fuse and Wings "on the boat"
Author: dlomheim@... Time: Mon Oct 7, 2002 10:37 am PDT Link
It all depends on the look you desire and your budget. I didn't want to spend around $800 for the whelen package with a rear strobe and flush wingtip Nav/Strobes so I instead opted to put a position light ($65) in the tail, and aeroflash nav strobes on the tips ($340). Just depends on what finished look you desire and your budget.
Doug Lomheim 90116 (wings)
Author: "ksouthar" <Keith_Southard@...> Time: Tue Oct 8, 2002 5:37 am PDT Link
I 'do' want to install flush wingtip nav/strobes. Is a tail strobe
required in that configuration?
--- In RV-9A@y..., dlomheim@a... wrote:
> It all depends on the look you desire and your budget. I didn't
want to spend around $800 for the whelen package with a rear strobe
and flush wingtip Nav/Strobes so I instead opted to put a position
light ($65) in the tail, and aeroflash nav strobes on the tips
($340). Just depends on what finished look you desire and your
budget.
>
> Doug Lomheim 90116 (wings)
Author: "Dave Nicholson" <dnick2@...> Time: Tue Oct 8, 2002 12:03 pm PDT Link
Yes
Dave
90347
----- Original Message -----
From: ksouthar
To: RV-9A@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, October 07, 2002 1:52 PM
Subject: [RV-9A] Re: Light Recommendations
I 'do' want to install flush wingtip nav/strobes. Is a tail strobe
required in that configuration?
--- In RV-9A@y..., dlomheim@a... wrote:
> It all depends on the look you desire and your budget. I didn't
want to spend around $800 for the whelen package with a rear strobe
and flush wingtip Nav/Strobes so I instead opted to put a position
light ($65) in the tail, and aeroflash nav strobes on the tips
($340). Just depends on what finished look you desire and your
budget.
>
> Doug Lomheim 90116 (wings)
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Author: "John Williams" <frate_dawg@...> Time: Wed Oct 9, 2002 5:56 am PDT Link
Keith: You can install the flush wingtip combination nav and strobe,
and will be legal as long as you have some type of white, aft-facing
"position" light. A steady white position light in the tail will
satisfy this requirement. It does not have to be a white strobe, but
Whelen sells a combination white light/white strobe unit which is very
popular in this application. Also, you may have more than one aft-facing
white position light if you desire---a number of the older RVs which did
not come with notched wingtips for the flush installation had an
aft-facing white position light on each wingtip. I have also seen them
mounted in pairs, or one in the base of the rudder, and another on the
tip of the rudder, or mounted on top of the vertical stab. The lighting
scheme comes from old maritime law, and modern-day Coast Guard
regulations, as well as FAA regulations reflect this. For exact
configurations, I believe the Van's accessory catalog has an excellent,
simple diagram of required light colors and the degree or arc required
of each, as well as possible configurations. Regards, John Williams
-----Original Message-----
From: ksouthar [mailto:Keith_Southard@a...]
Sent: Monday, October 07, 2002 2:53 PM
To: RV-9A@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [RV-9A] Re: Light Recommendations
I 'do' want to install flush wingtip nav/strobes. Is a tail strobe
required in that configuration?
--- In RV-9A@y..., dlomheim@a... wrote:
> It all depends on the look you desire and your budget. I didn't
want to spend around $800 for the whelen package with a rear strobe
and flush wingtip Nav/Strobes so I instead opted to put a position
light ($65) in the tail, and aeroflash nav strobes on the tips
($340). Just depends on what finished look you desire and your
budget.
>
> Doug Lomheim 90116 (wings)
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Author: "Steve Sampson" <SSampson.SLN21@...> Time: Wed Oct 9, 2002 11:45 am PDT Link
Is there an alternative to the combination white light / strobe from Whelan?
Its VERY expensive.
Thanks, Steve.
-----Original Message-----
From: John Williams [mailto:frate_dawg@p...]
Sent: 09 October 2002 04:07
To: RV-9A@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [RV-9A] Re: Light Recommendations
Keith: You can install the flush wingtip combination nav and strobe,
and will be legal as long as you have some type of white, aft-facing
"position" light. A steady white position light in the tail will
satisfy this requirement. It does not have to be a white strobe, but
Whelen sells a combination white light/white strobe unit which is very
popular in this application. Also, you may have more than one aft-facing
white position light if you desire---a number of the older RVs which did
not come with notched wingtips for the flush installation had an
aft-facing white position light on each wingtip. I have also seen them
mounted in pairs, or one in the base of the rudder, and another on the
tip of the rudder, or mounted on top of the vertical stab. The lighting
scheme comes from old maritime law, and modern-day Coast Guard
regulations, as well as FAA regulations reflect this. For exact
configurations, I believe the Van's accessory catalog has an excellent,
simple diagram of required light colors and the degree or arc required
of each, as well as possible configurations. Regards, John Williams
-----Original Message-----
From: ksouthar [mailto:Keith_Southard@a...]
Sent: Monday, October 07, 2002 2:53 PM
To: RV-9A@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [RV-9A] Re: Light Recommendations
I 'do' want to install flush wingtip nav/strobes. Is a tail strobe
required in that configuration?
--- In RV-9A@y..., dlomheim@a... wrote:
> It all depends on the look you desire and your budget. I didn't
want to spend around $800 for the whelen package with a rear strobe
and flush wingtip Nav/Strobes so I instead opted to put a position
light ($65) in the tail, and aeroflash nav strobes on the tips
($340). Just depends on what finished look you desire and your
budget.
>
> Doug Lomheim 90116 (wings)
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Author: "Clay R" <clayr_55@...> Time: Wed Oct 9, 2002 11:47 am PDT Link
Let's make sure everyone is clear on this before someone makes a
mistake.
On the RV9 wingtips, there is a cutout portion in front that is
covered with plexi where you can mount nav/strobe lights. If you put
your strobes here, you DO need the aft facing anti-collision (strobe)
light. The anti-collision lights must be visible from 360 degrees
around the airplane, and you won't be able to see those wing tip
strobes from the back. You'll also need a white position light on
the back.
If you mount your nav/strobes way out on the tips at the mid-point of
the wing, they'll have 360 degree coverage. (you can see them from
the back) You'll have to cut a hole in the fiberglass, deal with
broken lights when they get bumped into, etc. You could even use the
combination nav/strobe with the rear facing white light and eliminate
the requirement to put anything on the tail.
Another option is to put a single strobe up high on the tail, and the
nav lights under the plexi, and a white position light in the tail.
You might see the flash on your prop/panel though.
Whelen has a nice document describing the requirements.
http://www.whelen.com/pdfs/avserman.pdf
--Clay
--- In RV-9A@y..., "John Williams" <frate_dawg@p...> wrote:
> Keith: You can install the flush wingtip combination nav and
strobe,
> and will be legal as long as you have some type of white, aft-facing
> "position" light. A steady white position light in the tail will
> satisfy this requirement. It does not have to be a white strobe,
but
> Whelen sells a combination white light/white strobe unit which is
very
> popular in this application. Also, you may have more than one aft-
facing
> white position light if you desire---a number of the older RVs
which did
> not come with notched wingtips for the flush installation had an
> aft-facing white position light on each wingtip. I have also seen
them
> mounted in pairs, or one in the base of the rudder, and another on
the
> tip of the rudder, or mounted on top of the vertical stab. The
lighting
> scheme comes from old maritime law, and modern-day Coast Guard
> regulations, as well as FAA regulations reflect this. For exact
> configurations, I believe the Van's accessory catalog has an
excellent,
> simple diagram of required light colors and the degree or arc
required
> of each, as well as possible configurations. Regards, John
Williams
> -----Original Message-----
> From: ksouthar [mailto:Keith_Southard@a...]
> Sent: Monday, October 07, 2002 2:53 PM
> To: RV-9A@y...
> Subject: [RV-9A] Re: Light Recommendations
>
> I 'do' want to install flush wingtip nav/strobes. Is a tail strobe
> required in that configuration?
> --- In RV-9A@y..., dlomheim@a... wrote:
> > It all depends on the look you desire and your budget. I didn't
> want to spend around $800 for the whelen package with a rear strobe
> and flush wingtip Nav/Strobes so I instead opted to put a position
> light ($65) in the tail, and aeroflash nav strobes on the tips
> ($340). Just depends on what finished look you desire and your
> budget.
> >
> > Doug Lomheim 90116 (wings)
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Author: "Newsted, Gary" <Gary.Newsted@...> Time: Wed Oct 9, 2002 11:55 am PDT Link
You could light a road-flare, stick it in the rudder hole. Five or ten minutes is enough to see all of Europe isn't it? Please properly dispose ofyour burnt flares or run the risk of being accused of not caring for the planet.
Regards, Damned American
Author: "John Williams" <frate_dawg@...> Time: Thu Oct 10, 2002 5:44 am PDT Link
Hey Gary: You forgot to end with a smiley face! But I think you flamed
the wrong guy! Regards, J. Williams
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From: Newsted, Gary [mailto:Gary.Newsted@h...]
Sent: Wednesday, October 09, 2002 2:51 PM
To: RV-9A@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [RV-9A] Re: Light Recommendations
You could light a road-flare, stick it in the rudder hole. Five or
ten minutes is enough to see all of Europe isn't it? Please properly
dispose of your burnt flares or run the risk of being accused of not
caring for the planet.
Regards, Damned American
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Author: "John Williams" <frate_dawg@...> Time: Thu Oct 10, 2002 5:44 am PDT Link
Steve: Both Whelan and Aeroflash make plain, white, round,
steady-burning non-strobe position lights for installation in the tail.
Aeroflash is generally cheaper than Whelan for everything, as Whelan has
had a virtual monopoly on aircraft, police and ambulance lighting for
three decades. Back in the old days, Grimes was the leading
manufacturer of aircraft lighting, and they have changed ownership and
management and are making an effort to recapture market share. A couple
of places on the web stock Grimes parts and lights, but information
about Grimes products is hard to come by. The plain Jane white position
light for the tail isn't that expensive, compared with a strobe or
strobe/position unit, and much cheaper to re-lamp. With white strobes
in the wingtips, you could easily get by with just the plain white
aft-facing position light, which, I believe is a halogen bulb of 55
Watts output, and meets the requirements for position lights.
Regards, J. W.
-----Original Message-----
From: Steve Sampson [mailto:SSampson.SLN21@l...]
Sent: Wednesday, October 09, 2002 2:30 PM
To: RV-9A@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [RV-9A] Re: Light Recommendations
Is there an alternative to the combination white light / strobe from
Whelan?
Its VERY expensive.
Thanks, Steve.
-----Original Message-----
From: John Williams [mailto:frate_dawg@p...]
Sent: 09 October 2002 04:07
To: RV-9A@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [RV-9A] Re: Light Recommendations
Keith: You can install the flush wingtip combination nav and strobe,
and will be legal as long as you have some type of white, aft-facing
"position" light. A steady white position light in the tail will
satisfy this requirement. It does not have to be a white strobe, but
Whelen sells a combination white light/white strobe unit which is very
popular in this application. Also, you may have more than one aft-facing
white position light if you desire---a number of the older RVs which did
not come with notched wingtips for the flush installation had an
aft-facing white position light on each wingtip. I have also seen them
mounted in pairs, or one in the base of the rudder, and another on the
tip of the rudder, or mounted on top of the vertical stab. The lighting
scheme comes from old maritime law, and modern-day Coast Guard
regulations, as well as FAA regulations reflect this. For exact
configurations, I believe the Van's accessory catalog has an excellent,
simple diagram of required light colors and the degree or arc required
of each, as well as possible configurations. Regards, John Williams
-----Original Message-----
From: ksouthar [mailto:Keith_Southard@a...]
Sent: Monday, October 07, 2002 2:53 PM
To: RV-9A@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [RV-9A] Re: Light Recommendations
I 'do' want to install flush wingtip nav/strobes. Is a tail strobe
required in that configuration?
--- In RV-9A@y..., dlomheim@a... wrote:
> It all depends on the look you desire and your budget. I didn't
want to spend around $800 for the whelen package with a rear strobe
and flush wingtip Nav/Strobes so I instead opted to put a position
light ($65) in the tail, and aeroflash nav strobes on the tips
($340). Just depends on what finished look you desire and your
budget.
>
> Doug Lomheim 90116 (wings)
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Author: "Dave Nicholson" <dnick2@...> Time: Thu Oct 10, 2002 5:44 am PDT Link
Don't fly at night???
Dave
----- Original Message -----
From: Steve Sampson
To: RV-9A@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, October 09, 2002 1:30 PM
Subject: RE: [RV-9A] Re: Light Recommendations
Is there an alternative to the combination white light / strobe from Whelan?
Its VERY expensive.
Thanks, Steve.
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Author: "Newsted, Gary" <Gary.Newsted@...> Time: Thu Oct 10, 2002 5:47 am PDT Link
;^) to all!
Author: "Steve Sampson" <SSampson.SLN21@...> Time: Thu Oct 10, 2002 12:31 pm PDT Link
Dave, No in the UK homebuilts are not allowed in the air at night though
there is a rumour that might change. In view of the rumour I am putting
lighting cables in the wings so it will be easy to fit lights if / when. But
my question was, is there a combined strobe / white light other than the
Whelan one? I want to put a rear strobe on the aircraft and it would seem
best that it has the white light in it.
Steve
PS John W - thanks for the lighting background. The problem is the wing tip
strobes face forward and I would like something to cover my backside. Even
though the RV goes faster than most aircraft my runway is about 4 miles from
a Tornado base. They go lots faster, and although in theory the controller
will keep us clear of each other max visibility seems like a good idea!
Thanks.
-----Original Message-----
From: Dave Nicholson [mailto:dnick2@i...]
Sent: 09 October 2002 23:54
To: RV-9A@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [RV-9A] Re: Light Recommendations
Don't fly at night???
Dave
----- Original Message -----
From: Steve Sampson
To: RV-9A@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, October 09, 2002 1:30 PM
Subject: RE: [RV-9A] Re: Light Recommendations
Is there an alternative to the combination white light / strobe from
Whelan?
Its VERY expensive.
Thanks, Steve.
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Author: "John Williams" <frate_dawg@...> Time: Fri Oct 11, 2002 11:06 am PDT Link
Aye! I finally understand the problem, Steve. Four miles in a Tornado
in the UK gives about 25 seconds "see and avoid" time. If they're in
reheat mode, (what we Yanks call afterburner), maybe less than 15
seconds. You certainly will want a strobe to cover your arse. I know
of no other combined aft position/white strobe units other than the one
offered by Whelan. Both Aeroflash and Whelan offer a small diameter
strobe for the vertical stab, with 360 degree coverage, and lenses in
white, red, or split (red faces forward, white aft). Or, you can mount
a position light in the bottom rudder fairing, and the same size white
tail strobe unit on the top of the V.S., but I can't see how that would
be less money than the combination tail position/strobe light offered by
Whelan. I think the combo unit, which sells here for $151 ( excluding
power supply) is your best bet to keep the fast movers off your back,
but it entails buying a helluva pricey power supply to operate multiple
strobes---the A-413 multi-strobe Comet Flash pwr supply is listed here
for $376---presumably because all this stuff is TSO'd, which invariably
runs the price up. I will be dealing with this problem soon, so if you
find a cost-effective (read cheap!) solution, please let us know. Sorry
I couldn't offer any cheaper alternatives. John Williams
-----Original Message-----
From: Steve Sampson [mailto:SSampson.SLN21@l...]
Sent: Thursday, October 10, 2002 1:52 PM
To: RV-9A@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [RV-9A] Re: Light Recommendations
Dave, No in the UK homebuilts are not allowed in the air at night though
there is a rumour that might change. In view of the rumour I am putting
lighting cables in the wings so it will be easy to fit lights if / when.
But
my question was, is there a combined strobe / white light other than the
Whelan one? I want to put a rear strobe on the aircraft and it would
seem
best that it has the white light in it.
Steve
PS John W - thanks for the lighting background. The problem is the wing
tip
strobes face forward and I would like something to cover my backside.
Even
though the RV goes faster than most aircraft my runway is about 4 miles
from
a Tornado base. They go lots faster, and although in theory the
controller
will keep us clear of each other max visibility seems like a good idea!
Thanks.
-----Original Message-----
From: Dave Nicholson [mailto:dnick2@i...]
Sent: 09 October 2002 23:54
To: RV-9A@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [RV-9A] Re: Light Recommendations
Don't fly at night???
Dave
----- Original Message -----
From: Steve Sampson
To: RV-9A@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, October 09, 2002 1:30 PM
Subject: RE: [RV-9A] Re: Light Recommendations
Is there an alternative to the combination white light / strobe from
Whelan?
Its VERY expensive.
Thanks, Steve.
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