Author: "cwmitche" <cwmitche@...> Time: Mon Oct 28, 2002 5:31 am PST Link
Hello everyone. I'm new to the group and indeed relatively new to
flying. I've rapidly come to the conclusion that owning my own RV is
infinitely preferable to hiring someone elses Mooney but I have 2
questions I would like to put to everyone here. I'm sure they have
probably been asked before so apologies up front for my inability to
find it in the archives!
Why would you build an RV-9 rather than an RV-7 or vice versa?
I was thinking of wetting my feet by ordering the empennage kit as
moderately inexpensive way of getting some experience with the whole
process. Is this a workable/worthwhile idea?
TIA
Clive
Author: Jerry Vanatta <jnv@...> Time: Mon Oct 28, 2002 5:37 am PST Link
The only question you need to answer is what do you want your airplane to
do.
Regards,
RV9-A Jerry
-----Original Message-----
From: cwmitche [mailto:cwmitche@i...]
Sent: Sunday, October 27, 2002 10:12 PM
To: RV-9A@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [RV-9A] RV-9A
Hello everyone. I'm new to the group and indeed relatively new to
flying. I've rapidly come to the conclusion that owning my own RV is
infinitely preferable to hiring someone elses Mooney but I have 2
questions I would like to put to everyone here. I'm sure they have
probably been asked before so apologies up front for my inability to
find it in the archives!
Why would you build an RV-9 rather than an RV-7 or vice versa?
I was thinking of wetting my feet by ordering the empennage kit as
moderately inexpensive way of getting some experience with the whole
process. Is this a workable/worthwhile idea?
TIA
Clive
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Author: "Lynn Hall" <lynnhall7@...> Time: Mon Oct 28, 2002 7:49 am PST Link
I'd like to suggest a couple of things.
First there are weekend training classes that teach the basic kit
building skills, ie, cleco, drill, dimple, countersink, rivet for a
very low cost. Second next spring at Sun 'n fun or next summer at
Oskosh you could attend several lectures and look at kit building if
great detail without "jumping in the deep end".
If you actually want to start building the empennage kit you will
need to set up your workspace first, including purchasing a few
thousand dollars worth of specialized tools. I actually had to
sell/buy and move into a new house so that I could build a suitable
workspace.
If you already have a work space, you certainly can start building
the empennage kit and later drop out if its not what you though it
was and perhaps sell your kit and tools and recover most of your
investment.
Good luck and I hope you start building soon.
Lynn Hall
N554LH (reserved)
--- In RV-9A@y..., "cwmitche" <cwmitche@i...> wrote:
> Hello everyone. I'm new to the group and indeed relatively new to
> flying. I've rapidly come to the conclusion that owning my own RV
is
> infinitely preferable to hiring someone elses Mooney but I have 2
> questions I would like to put to everyone here. I'm sure they have
> probably been asked before so apologies up front for my inability
to
> find it in the archives!
>
> Why would you build an RV-9 rather than an RV-7 or vice versa?
>
> I was thinking of wetting my feet by ordering the empennage kit as
> moderately inexpensive way of getting some experience with the
whole
> process. Is this a workable/worthwhile idea?
>
> TIA
> Clive
Author: "whtrocker" <whtrocker@...> Time: Mon Oct 28, 2002 7:54 am PST Link
I chose the '9A because of it's lower stall speed, shorter t/o and
landing capability, glide ratio and 'gentler' flight
characteristics. I plan a lot of trips over mountains and water, so
aerobatics is not the objective-- cross country is.
When your engine quits at 6000 feet over the ocean, and you can glide
thirteen miles to an airport, you'll be glad to have the '9A. Of
course, even the '7A can outglide a Cessna.
Maybe someone can come up with a 'clipped wing' 9A for all of those
who want more excitement 5 years down the road.
--- In RV-9A@y..., "cwmitche" <cwmitche@i...> wrote:
> Hello everyone. I'm new to the group and indeed relatively new to
> flying. I've rapidly come to the conclusion that owning my own RV
is
> infinitely preferable to hiring someone elses Mooney but I have 2
> questions I would like to put to everyone here. I'm sure they have
> probably been asked before so apologies up front for my inability
to
> find it in the archives!
>
> Why would you build an RV-9 rather than an RV-7 or vice versa?
>
> I was thinking of wetting my feet by ordering the empennage kit as
> moderately inexpensive way of getting some experience with the
whole
> process. Is this a workable/worthwhile idea?
>
> TIA
> Clive
Author: Cameron Kurth <cameronkurth@...> Time: Mon Oct 28, 2002 8:00 am PST Link
Clive
I just got my tail kit last thursday. My plan was
take 4-5 years to finish the plane, you know, just
work on it here and there. Well after one good
weekend I'm ready to order the wing kit so it will be
here about when I finish the tail. Be very careful,
once you start building you will most difinately not
want to stop. The thought of flying something I built
is starting to really consume me. The blank stares at
dinner when your mind is full of rivets and aluminum.
My girlfriend just laughs and says "you're dreaming
about flying your own plane again aren't you?". I
haven't been in the air sense I got the empannage kit.
I fully expect when I get in that old 152, I'll look
around and think, "wow, I could do better than this"
Can you guys tell that I'm still high from working on
my plane all weekend???
cam
> --- In RV-9A@y..., "cwmitche" <cwmitche@i...> wrote:
> > Hello everyone. I'm new to the group and indeed
> relatively new to
> > flying. I've rapidly come to the conclusion that
> owning my own RV
> is
> > infinitely preferable to hiring someone elses
> Mooney but I have 2
> > questions I would like to put to everyone here.
> I'm sure they have
> > probably been asked before so apologies up front
> for my inability
> to
> > find it in the archives!
> >
> > Why would you build an RV-9 rather than an RV-7 or
> vice versa?
> >
> > I was thinking of wetting my feet by ordering the
> empennage kit as
> > moderately inexpensive way of getting some
> experience with the
> whole
> > process. Is this a workable/worthwhile idea?
> >
> > TIA
> > Clive
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Author: "Votuc.com" <guy@...> Time: Mon Oct 28, 2002 8:16 am PST Link
Cam,
I agree it can be all consuming.. Just remember a good woman is harder to find than a plane :>) Few if any seem to share in
our enthusiasm for long...
Guy.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Cameron Kurth" <cameronkurth@y...>
To: <RV-9A@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Monday, October 28, 2002 11:00 AM
Subject: Re: [RV-9A] Re: RV-9A
> Clive
>
> I just got my tail kit last thursday. My plan was
> take 4-5 years to finish the plane, you know, just
> work on it here and there. Well after one good
> weekend I'm ready to order the wing kit so it will be
> here about when I finish the tail. Be very careful,
> once you start building you will most difinately not
> want to stop. The thought of flying something I built
> is starting to really consume me. The blank stares at
> dinner when your mind is full of rivets and aluminum.
> My girlfriend just laughs and says "you're dreaming
> about flying your own plane again aren't you?". I
> haven't been in the air sense I got the empannage kit.
> I fully expect when I get in that old 152, I'll look
> around and think, "wow, I could do better than this"
>
> Can you guys tell that I'm still high from working on
> my plane all weekend???
>
> cam
> > --- In RV-9A@y..., "cwmitche" <cwmitche@i...> wrote:
> > > Hello everyone. I'm new to the group and indeed
> > relatively new to
> > > flying. I've rapidly come to the conclusion that
> > owning my own RV
> > is
> > > infinitely preferable to hiring someone elses
> > Mooney but I have 2
> > > questions I would like to put to everyone here.
> > I'm sure they have
> > > probably been asked before so apologies up front
> > for my inability
> > to
> > > find it in the archives!
> > >
> > > Why would you build an RV-9 rather than an RV-7 or
> > vice versa?
> > >
> > > I was thinking of wetting my feet by ordering the
> > empennage kit as
> > > moderately inexpensive way of getting some
> > experience with the
> > whole
> > > process. Is this a workable/worthwhile idea?
> > >
> > > TIA
> > > Clive
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Author: "Newsted, Gary" <Gary.Newsted@...> Time: Mon Oct 28, 2002 8:22 am PST Link
Ahhhh, there's nothing quite like young love. Nothing beats a threesome, boy, girl, and RV... A romantic candlelight dinner, a female that still thinks that blank stare is cute, and then curling up with your Aircraft Sprucecatalog by a roaring fire. ProSeal has not yet permeated the house, razorsharp shrapnel has not yet found its way into her favorite wooly socks, she has yet to be awoken by the rhythmic tap tap tap of riveting at 2AM. Shedoesn't really mind if "just a few more minutes" takes hours. She's probably not yet privy to your VISA balance either! Cherish these good times myfriend, and pencil in a tip on every other page of your builders manual, to reintroduce yourself to your girl. Building and maintaining a flying machine is a trivial task in comparison.
G ;^)
Author: "Phil Perry" <philstar@...> Time: Tue Oct 29, 2002 8:02 am PST Link
TIA,
The latest issue of Kitplanes has a RV9A vs. RV9 comparison, (cover story). If you want wring it out loop and curl aerobatics then the 7 is for you. If your like me, the 9A is a much more docile regular type of flying airplane that can take me somewhere a bit faster than the Cessna 172 I've flown for six years at 115/120 mph. I looked at kits for five years, and when seeing and then getting to fly the RV9A, I had found my dream airplane. And believe me... I will be a "labor of love".
Good Luck
Phil Perry
----- Original Message -----
From: cwmitche
To: RV-9A@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, October 27, 2002 10:12 PM
Subject: [RV-9A] RV-9A
Hello everyone. I'm new to the group and indeed relatively new to
flying. I've rapidly come to the conclusion that owning my own RV is
infinitely preferable to hiring someone elses Mooney but I have 2
questions I would like to put to everyone here. I'm sure they have
probably been asked before so apologies up front for my inability to
find it in the archives!
Why would you build an RV-9 rather than an RV-7 or vice versa?
I was thinking of wetting my feet by ordering the empennage kit as
moderately inexpensive way of getting some experience with the whole
process. Is this a workable/worthwhile idea?
TIA
Clive
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Author: "John Williams" <frate_dawg@...> Time: Wed Oct 30, 2002 4:03 pm PST Link
CW: Welcome to the group. People build -9s because of the wing on the
-9. It's longer and narrower than the 6, -7, -8 wing, and has a little
more square footage, which gives it a much better glide ratio, and
positively delightful stall characteristics.
Curiously, this Roncz designed wing doesn't suffer much in the way of
loss of speed at top end, provides more lift, and has a lower stall
speed and landing speed, even with less HP. Van's offers it for those
of us who are looking for an economical airplane---one that can use a
more common engine, presumably at lower cost, and still get good
performance and cruise speed on less fuel flow---and for those of us who
want a very nice local and cross-country flier with snappy performance
on 160 hp or less, fun flying, with docile characteristics, and who
probably will never wish to learn, practice or compete in any form of
aerobatics. Either wing will be satisfying beyond your most ambitious
dreams. So figure out what type of flying you will want to do, and
whether you want economy and versatility, or absolutely "YeeHaw" roll
rates and the ability to do Basic and Intermediate level aerobatics, and
order that wing. The fuselages are basically the same size. The wing's
the thing. Look at the writeups and performance specs on the Van's
aircraft website. The numbers, as tested, are what you can expect,
since Van's doesn't EVER inflate the numbers. I've flown 'em both, and
they are wonderful airplanes---they just do different things, i.e., each
wing does some things better than the other.
As for ordering the emp kit, you might want to hold off on that until
you attend one of the SportAire weekend courses held periodically around
the country for Van's builders or potential builders. This is the
cheapest and best way I know of getting your "feet wet". What you will
save by buying only the tools you need, or buying the best version of a
tool, or NOT buying a particular tool either because you don't really
need it, or it is of lousy quality,---what you save will probably pay
for the course.
You won't need to buy any tools to take the course; you'll learn all
about thiers, and use them to build a typical elevator or flap section
from a Van's kit. Then, you will probably wish to immediately order the
empennage kit. But you'll at least know how the kitbuilding process
works, all about the tools, (their names, what they do, and how to use
them), the techniques used for various processes, and you will have had
"hands-on" training and experience actually building something nice out
of riveted aluminum. I can't think of a better or cheaper way to "get
your feet wet". OOPS! I just noticed the .au in your URL. If you live
in the Oz, you may not have access to anything like our EAA sponsored
courses mentioned above. Sorry, Mite! There are builders in your
country, however, who can offer advice, counseling, and even teach you
what you need to know and practice.
At any rate, I wish you the best of luck, and stay tuned. There's lots
of great advice and technique here on this site. Regards, Mate. John
Williams
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From: cwmitche [mailtotrain:cwmitche@i...]
Sent: Sunday, October 27, 2002 11:12 PM
To: RV-9A@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [RV-9A] RV-9A
Hello everyone. I'm new to the group and indeed relatively new to
flying. I've rapidly come to the conclusion that owning my own RV is
infinitely preferable to hiring someone elses Mooney but I have 2
questions I would like to put to everyone here. I'm sure they have
probably been asked before so apologies up front for my inability to
find it in the archives!
Why would you build an RV-9 rather than an RV-7 or vice versa?
I was thinking of wetting my feet by ordering the empennage kit as
moderately inexpensive way of getting some experience with the whole
process. Is this a workable/worthwhile idea?
TIA
Clive
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Author: "Phil Perry" <philstar@...> Time: Mon Dec 16, 2002 12:15 pm PST Link
Clive
The 7 will accept larger engines than the 9, and let you do aerobatics. The 9 will accept only up to the O-320, (160 HP) and several 9 builders have chosen the Subaru 165 HP package. The 9 has a much longer,narrower wing (a Ronz airfoil type), which gives you more docile control similar to a C-172. Having several hundred hours in the 172, and not seeking wring it out aerobatics made the RV9A an easy choice for me.
Phil Perry
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----- Original Message -----
From: cwmitche
To: RV-9A@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, October 27, 2002 10:12 PM
Subject: [RV-9A] RV-9A
Hello everyone. I'm new to the group and indeed relatively new to
flying. I've rapidly come to the conclusion that owning my own RV is
infinitely preferable to hiring someone elses Mooney but I have 2
questions I would like to put to everyone here. I'm sure they have
probably been asked before so apologies up front for my inability to
find it in the archives!
Why would you build an RV-9 rather than an RV-7 or vice versa?
I was thinking of wetting my feet by ordering the empennage kit as
moderately inexpensive way of getting some experience with the whole
process. Is this a workable/worthwhile idea?
TIA
Clive
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Author: "Phil Perry" <philstar@...> Time: Mon Dec 16, 2002 12:25 pm PST Link
Clive,
As for ordering the emp kit to see what building is like, I would recommend attending an RV builders workshop. There you will be introduced to the tools required, and actually build a small part akin to starting an emp. Plus, besides investing in the emp kit, you won't have to invest in the tools required to see if this is what you want to build. Workshop cost are around $395.00, and held in various locations. If your near me, your more than welcome to stop by and drive a few practice rivets and help with a portion on my 9A. I'm in southwestern Indiana. I'm sure other builders will offer you the same as you can see by this group, everyone helps out everyone.
Good Luck
Phil Perry
90342 wings
----- Original Message -----
From: cwmitche
To: RV-9A@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, October 27, 2002 10:12 PM
Subject: [RV-9A] RV-9A
Hello everyone. I'm new to the group and indeed relatively new to
flying. I've rapidly come to the conclusion that owning my own RV is
infinitely preferable to hiring someone elses Mooney but I have 2
questions I would like to put to everyone here. I'm sure they have
probably been asked before so apologies up front for my inability to
find it in the archives!
Why would you build an RV-9 rather than an RV-7 or vice versa?
I was thinking of wetting my feet by ordering the empennage kit as
moderately inexpensive way of getting some experience with the whole
process. Is this a workable/worthwhile idea?
TIA
Clive
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