Author: "Don and Shirley" <cherokeepilots@...> Time: Wed Aug 6, 2003 6:45 am PDT Link
Attending Airventure sure helped me answer a lot of questions about
how I'm going to equip the Nine I'm building. I came in pretty much
convinced that I'd put a Lycoming (or clone) in it but I wanted to see
a Mazda 13B installation and ask questions. I wasn't ready for NSI's
"Plug and Play" Aero Subaru Engine...it has me thinking that maybe
there is an alternative to a Lycoming. I spoke at some length with
Lance about the system and its more than just a firewall forward
package, it includes the panel wiring and potentially a lot of the
avionics (they sell Apollo/UPS).
I could wax on about what I heard but the bottom line is the only
weakness I could find is in the "Transmission" which I would have
called a PSRU but apparently is a bit more. Lance indicated there is
a redesigned unit almost ready for sale (I'm not holding my breath but
he did seem honest and sincere). Apparently the Glastar has been
using this engine for a while. Does anyone have first hand
information on the company and/or the product?
Thanks,
Don 90792 Wings
Author: "Larry Perryman" <larry-perryman@...> Time: Wed Aug 6, 2003 8:50 am PDT Link
Don,
I have the Eggenfellner Subaru package in my 9A and really do like
it. It comes complete from the firewall to the prop flange and can be
run as it comes with gas, oil, water, and batterys added. There is a
very through installation manual written by another customer (Gary
Newstead) that takes a lot of the wiring mystery out of it. Others
are working on a more conventional wiring schematic for the
installation.
Good customer support and a great bunch of customers that support
each other on the yahoo group.
Just another way to go if you are ready to skip the lycasaur on your
9.
Regards
Larry Perryman
N194DL 92 hours now
Author: "Don and Shirley" <cherokeepilots@...> Time: Wed Aug 6, 2003 9:06 am PDT Link
Larry,
Thanks for the feedback on the Eggenfeller engine. I investigated it
2 years ago and decided to pass on it. My interest isn't in just any
Subaru modification. I'm interested in gathering substantive in field
experiences with the NSI.
Don
Author: "Newsted, Gary" <Gary.Newsted@...> Time: Wed Aug 6, 2003 9:36 am PDT Link
Well that's likely to get you a blast of replies from all of us
happy Eggenfellner customers flying every day across this
country. It's smooth, quiet, trustworthy, economical, and a
very reasonable choice for an RV-9A. Having just flew 18 hours
to Oshkosh and back in severe weather conditions, I averaged
142KTAS (75%) and never once needed to think about engine problems.
Performance is exactly what I expected, quality is outstanding.
If you checked into this motor two years ago, perhaps it's time
to have a fresh look. I won't say anything about NSI since
you are gathering your own substantive in field experiences.
Good luck with your decision.
Gary Newsted, RV-9A/Subaru
Author: Richard Tasker <retasker@...> Time: Wed Aug 6, 2003 10:32 am PDT Link
I don't have any specific information on the NSI package, but if you
haven't already done so, take a look at
www.subaruaircraft.com
There are a good number of users of this engine package and there are
basically nothing but happy users. It really is a plug and play setup.
I have one on order.
Dick Tasker, 90573
Inventorying fuselage kit...
Don and Shirley wrote:
> Attending Airventure sure helped me answer a lot of questions about
> how I'm going to equip the Nine I'm building. I came in pretty much
> convinced that I'd put a Lycoming (or clone) in it but I wanted to see
> a Mazda 13B installation and ask questions. I wasn't ready for NSI's
> "Plug and Play" Aero Subaru Engine...it has me thinking that maybe
> there is an alternative to a Lycoming. I spoke at some length with
> Lance about the system and its more than just a firewall forward
> package, it includes the panel wiring and potentially a lot of the
> avionics (they sell Apollo/UPS).
>
> I could wax on about what I heard but the bottom line is the only
> weakness I could find is in the "Transmission" which I would have
> called a PSRU but apparently is a bit more. Lance indicated there is
> a redesigned unit almost ready for sale (I'm not holding my breath but
> he did seem honest and sincere). Apparently the Glastar has been
> using this engine for a while. Does anyone have first hand
> information on the company and/or the product?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Don 90792 Wings
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Author: "Andy Karmy" <andy@...> Time: Wed Aug 6, 2003 11:33 am PDT Link
Up front, sorry Don I don't have any direct actual expierence with NSI... That being said, I would carefully research the past history of NSI and see if you can be convinced that they have changed their practices. There are a bunch of Kitfox builders that got burned by NSI multiple times over the years. Lots of questionable business going on at the time. This has been a few years ago. They have always had a great looking setup and a good story, but delivery seems to have lacked at times.
I only know of 1 RV personally flying with a NSI. That's Del Clifton up in Washington state. He has one in an RV6. It has taken him 3 years to get all the bugs worked out and get it flying smoothly.
- Andy (With an Aerosport 0-320)
---------- Original Message ----------------------------------
From: "Don and Shirley" <cherokeepilots@y...>
Reply-To: RV-9A@yahoogroups.com
Date: Wed, 06 Aug 2003 16:06:04 -0000
>Larry,
>
>Thanks for the feedback on the Eggenfeller engine. I investigated it
>2 years ago and decided to pass on it. My interest isn't in just any
>Subaru modification. I'm interested in gathering substantive in field
>experiences with the NSI.
>
>Don
Author: "kaycdss" <kayce@...> Time: Wed Aug 6, 2003 12:43 pm PDT Link
--- In RV-9A@yahoogroups.com, "Larry Perryman" <larry-perryman@t...>
wrote:
> Don,
>
> I have the Eggenfellner Subaru package in my 9A and really do like
> it. It comes complete from the firewall to the prop flange and can
be
> run as it comes with gas, oil, water, and batterys added. There is
a
> very through installation manual written by another customer (Gary
> Newstead) that takes a lot of the wiring mystery out of it. Others
> are working on a more conventional wiring schematic for the
> installation.
>
> Good customer support and a great bunch of customers that support
> each other on the yahoo group.
>
> Just another way to go if you are ready to skip the lycasaur on
your
> 9.
I concur with the comment about the EGG sub group. There's another
group, the E-SubieForum which is NSI oriented, and does of lot of
EGG bashing, and very little useful info or exchange of ideas. If
they took a look at the decency and useful exchange of ideas and
tried to emulate those folks in the EGG group, it might have
possibilites as a good subaru site>
> Regards
> Larry Perryman
> N194DL 92 hours now
Author: "Phil Perry" <philstar@...> Time: Wed Aug 6, 2003 1:07 pm PDT Link
Hi Larry,
I had the pleasure of seeing Gary's Subaru 9A at Osh, and I will have to say
that is one of the best alternative engine installations I've ever seen. I
am sorry to say that I only got to speak to him once. He was one busy guy
all week.
Phil Perry
----- Original Message -----
From: "Larry Perryman" <larry-perryman@t...>
To: <RV-9A@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, August 06, 2003 10:50 AM
Subject: [RV-9A] Re: NSI engine option
> Don,
>
> I have the Eggenfellner Subaru package in my 9A and really do like
> it. It comes complete from the firewall to the prop flange and can be
> run as it comes with gas, oil, water, and batterys added. There is a
> very through installation manual written by another customer (Gary
> Newstead) that takes a lot of the wiring mystery out of it. Others
> are working on a more conventional wiring schematic for the
> installation.
>
> Good customer support and a great bunch of customers that support
> each other on the yahoo group.
>
> Just another way to go if you are ready to skip the lycasaur on your
> 9.
>
> Regards
> Larry Perryman
> N194DL 92 hours now
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Author: "Phil Perry" <philstar@...> Time: Wed Aug 6, 2003 1:15 pm PDT Link
Don,
A friend of mine got burned by NSI on a Subaru package he bought for a
Murphy Renegade Spirit. He's the one I mentioned at our Osh gathering that
couldn't keep the oil cool, and had a forced dead stick landing. It still
sits in the back of the hanger to this day.
Phil Perry
----- Original Message -----
From: "Andy Karmy" <andy@k...>
To: <RV-9A@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, August 06, 2003 1:43 PM
Subject: Re: [RV-9A] Re: NSI engine option
> Up front, sorry Don I don't have any direct actual expierence with NSI...
That being said, I would carefully research the past history of NSI and see
if you can be convinced that they have changed their practices. There are a
bunch of Kitfox builders that got burned by NSI multiple times over the
years. Lots of questionable business going on at the time. This has been a
few years ago. They have always had a great looking setup and a good story,
but delivery seems to have lacked at times.
>
> I only know of 1 RV personally flying with a NSI. That's Del Clifton up in
Washington state. He has one in an RV6. It has taken him 3 years to get all
the bugs worked out and get it flying smoothly.
>
> - Andy (With an Aerosport 0-320)
>
> ---------- Original Message ----------------------------------
> From: "Don and Shirley" <cherokeepilots@y...>
> Reply-To: RV-9A@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Wed, 06 Aug 2003 16:06:04 -0000
>
> >Larry,
> >
> >Thanks for the feedback on the Eggenfeller engine. I investigated it
> >2 years ago and decided to pass on it. My interest isn't in just any
> >Subaru modification. I'm interested in gathering substantive in field
> >experiences with the NSI.
> >
> >Don
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Author: "Larry Perryman" <larry-perryman@...> Time: Wed Aug 6, 2003 3:37 pm PDT Link
Phil,
I am glad that Gary was at the other end of the display. His
installation definitely was attractive. We had the full spectrum
there from show planes to country work horses. The nice thing was
that ALL of them worked well for their owners. (I still wonder how
Robert Pasley got that much speed out of his 7.) I guess I had the
only "Teflon coated intake" there.
I had the pleasure of meeting so many folks at the booth that they
all run together for me but that is part of the fun of being at one
of those shows. There were names that I recognised from the list and
a bunch that said that they were "lurkers" still.
I can not tell you hhow much I enjoy being part of this group as we
work through the problems and joys of this endevor.
Regards
Larry Perryman
N194DL
--- In RV-9A@yahoogroups.com, "Phil Perry" <philstar@g...> wrote:
> Hi Larry,
> I had the pleasure of seeing Gary's Subaru 9A at Osh, and I will
have to say
> that is one of the best alternative engine installations I've ever
seen. I
> am sorry to say that I only got to speak to him once. He was one
busy guy
> all week.
>
> Phil Perry
Author: "Newsted, Gary" <Gary.Newsted@...> Time: Thu Aug 7, 2003 6:33 am PDT Link
I think Roberts extra speed results from his aircraft being the
only one there without a nose wheel. That slick paint job probably
helped a bit. If nothing else, it made it look fast ;^)
Author: "Phil Perry" <philstar@...> Time: Thu Aug 7, 2003 7:26 am PDT Link
Larry,
Sorry I missed you at Osh. Every time I'd make it over, you were busy, all
gone for the day, or gone on break.(I think Gary may have had too many beers
one night). All of the Eggenfelner installations on display were definitely
turning some heads. Even though most on display had the same engine, it was
interesting to see the differences in each builders installation.
Phil
----- Original Message -----
From: "Larry Perryman" <larry-perryman@t...>
To: <RV-9A@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, August 06, 2003 5:37 PM
Subject: [RV-9A] Re: NSI engine option
> Phil,
>
> I am glad that Gary was at the other end of the display. His
> installation definitely was attractive. We had the full spectrum
> there from show planes to country work horses. The nice thing was
> that ALL of them worked well for their owners. (I still wonder how
> Robert Pasley got that much speed out of his 7.) I guess I had the
> only "Teflon coated intake" there.
>
> I had the pleasure of meeting so many folks at the booth that they
> all run together for me but that is part of the fun of being at one
> of those shows. There were names that I recognised from the list and
> a bunch that said that they were "lurkers" still.
>
> I can not tell you hhow much I enjoy being part of this group as we
> work through the problems and joys of this endevor.
>
> Regards
> Larry Perryman
> N194DL
> --- In RV-9A@yahoogroups.com, "Phil Perry" <philstar@g...> wrote:
> > Hi Larry,
> > I had the pleasure of seeing Gary's Subaru 9A at Osh, and I will
> have to say
> > that is one of the best alternative engine installations I've ever
> seen. I
> > am sorry to say that I only got to speak to him once. He was one
> busy guy
> > all week.
> >
> > Phil Perry
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