Author: "steve Mayer" <steve_mayer@...> Time: Sat Aug 11, 2001 2:38 pm PDT Link
Robert,
What kind of marks?
I have the Avery set and I used it to rivet my Emp skins without any
problems. I haven't seen the Cleveland set, but what you describe
sounds like my Avery.
Are you perhaps not keeping the set in contact with the shop head?
Steve
--- In vansairforce@y..., "Robert Brian Chesteen" <bchesteen@a...>
wrote:
> I have been trying to use my backrivet set (the one with the
plastic
> guard and spring) that I bought from Cleveland tools. I do not
seem
> to be having good success with this set. It seems to always leave
> marks on the shop head. I the Avery version of this set better?
Or
> do I need some pointers? Everyone is saying that backriveting is
> like childs play. If it is then I must be doing something wrong.
Author: "Greg Tanner" <gtanner@...> Time: Sat Aug 11, 2001 3:09 pm PDT Link
I have a set with an aluminum spring loaded cage. It works good except I
wish the spring was stronger to hold the part down tighter. Other than that
it does a good job.
Greg
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Robert,
What kind of marks?
I have the Avery set and I used it to rivet my Emp skins without any
problems. I haven't seen the Cleveland set, but what you describe
sounds like my Avery.
Are you perhaps not keeping the set in contact with the shop head?
Steve
--- In vansairforce@y..., "Robert Brian Chesteen" <bchesteen@a...>
wrote:
> I have been trying to use my backrivet set (the one with the
plastic
> guard and spring) that I bought from Cleveland tools. I do not
seem
> to be having good success with this set. It seems to always leave
> marks on the shop head. I the Avery version of this set better?
Or
> do I need some pointers? Everyone is saying that backriveting is
> like childs play. If it is then I must be doing something wrong.
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Author: "Robert Brian Chesteen" <bchesteen@...> Time: Sat Aug 11, 2001 5:05 pm PDT Link
I always keep it in contact, it seems like there is to much space
between the steel part and the Delrin part. The shop head seems to
end up with some of it mashed and some not. Kinda like when you done
get a bucking bar on the whole rivet. I try to keep the set centered
on the rivet, but that is not alays possible.
Can you guys with the Avery version let me know how much clearance
there is between the plastic part and the steel part?
--- In vansairforce@y..., "steve Mayer" <steve_mayer@a...> wrote:
> Robert,
>
> What kind of marks?
>
> I have the Avery set and I used it to rivet my Emp skins without
any
> problems. I haven't seen the Cleveland set, but what you describe
> sounds like my Avery.
>
> Are you perhaps not keeping the set in contact with the shop head?
>
> Steve
>
> --- In vansairforce@y..., "Robert Brian Chesteen" <bchesteen@a...>
> wrote:
> > I have been trying to use my backrivet set (the one with the
> plastic
> > guard and spring) that I bought from Cleveland tools. I do not
> seem
> > to be having good success with this set. It seems to always
leave
> > marks on the shop head. I the Avery version of this set better?
> Or
> > do I need some pointers? Everyone is saying that backriveting is
> > like childs play. If it is then I must be doing something wrong.
Author: "Dick Isherwood" <orldick@...> Time: Sat Aug 11, 2001 7:34 pm PDT Link
Robert,
I had the same problem, I developed a technique where I would put the
set between my thumb and first finger of my free hand and sweep the
set over back and forth over the rivet till I got a feel for where the
rivet was and then centered it. It takes some trial and error on
scrap, you'll get a feel for it.
Dick
RV7 N797RV (reserved)
--- In vansairforce@y..., "Robert Brian Chesteen" <bchesteen@a...>
wrote:
> I have been trying to use my backrivet set (the one with the plastic
> guard and spring) that I bought from Cleveland tools. I do not seem
> to be having good success with this set. It seems to always leave
> marks on the shop head. I the Avery version of this set better? Or
> do I need some pointers? Everyone is saying that backriveting is
> like childs play. If it is then I must be doing something wrong.
Author: "steve Mayer" <steve_mayer@...> Time: Sun Aug 12, 2001 12:00 pm PDT Link
Robert,
My Avery back rivet set has a little play, but nothing that would
cause it to leave the marks you describe in a rivet. I tried to put
a .022 wire gauge in the gap (smallest I have), and couldn't. I
don't know if any of this helps your situation.
Is there anyone building in your area who has another backrivet set
that you might borrow for comparison?
Steve
--- In vansairforce@y..., "Robert Brian Chesteen" <bchesteen@p...>
wrote:
> I always keep it in contact, it seems like there is to much space
> between the steel part and the Delrin part. The shop head seems to
> end up with some of it mashed and some not. Kinda like when you
done
> get a bucking bar on the whole rivet. I try to keep the set
centered
> on the rivet, but that is not alays possible.
>
> Can you guys with the Avery version let me know how much clearance
> there is between the plastic part and the steel part?
> --- In vansairforce@y..., "steve Mayer" <steve_mayer@a...> wrote:
> > Robert,
> >
> > What kind of marks?
> >
> > I have the Avery set and I used it to rivet my Emp skins without
> any
> > problems. I haven't seen the Cleveland set, but what you
describe
> > sounds like my Avery.
> >
> > Are you perhaps not keeping the set in contact with the shop head?
> >
> > Steve
> >
> > --- In vansairforce@y..., "Robert Brian Chesteen"
<bchesteen@a...>
> > wrote:
> > > I have been trying to use my backrivet set (the one with the
> > plastic
> > > guard and spring) that I bought from Cleveland tools. I do not
> > seem
> > > to be having good success with this set. It seems to always
> leave
> > > marks on the shop head. I the Avery version of this set
better?
> > Or
> > > do I need some pointers? Everyone is saying that backriveting
is
> > > like childs play. If it is then I must be doing something
wrong.
Author: jwdanie@... Time: Tue Aug 14, 2001 4:33 pm PDT Link
--- In vansairforce@y..., "Robert Brian Chesteen" <bchesteen@p...>
wrote:
> I always keep it in contact, it seems like there is to much space
> between the steel part and the Delrin part. The shop head seems to
> end up with some of it mashed and some not. Kinda like when you
> done get a bucking bar on the whole rivet. I try to keep the set
> centered on the rivet, but that is not alays possible.
>
> Can you guys with the Avery version let me know how much clearance
> there is between the plastic part and the steel part?
In my case I started with the Avery set and switched to the
Cleaveland version. Neither set has much clearance between the delrin
and the set itself, though. The hard part with the Avery set is that
the end is domed rather than flat like the Cleaveland version. This
makes is very hard to keep the set centered as it always wants to
wander off to the edge.
Using the Cleaveland set, I place it on the rivet centered and then
use my free thumb and fore finger against both the surface and the
delrin to keep it from moving. Don't try to do it one handed at
first - firmly hold that collar centered on the rivet.
Good luck,
Jim Daniels