Author: "Bob Collins" <bcollins@...> Time: Mon Mar 8, 2004 3:29 pm PST Link
Just a minor request in the interest of keeping a tidy inbox and
list.
Some questions posted here are requests for information. They're
usually very directly answered and are very helpful.
Some questions are posed to win an argument. They usually lead to
about a two-week exchange in which nothing is settled (nobody
ever "wins" an argument on the Internet<g>.) and it makes it really
tough to find the good information through the noise.
To the extent that you're trying to help builders, thanks. It seems
to me on some issues, however that a phonecall to a company you may
be questioning might yield the answers in a more efficient manner,
keep the signal-to-noise ratio down, and you can then post the
answers here.
Everybody wins.
Just a thought.
Bob
St. Paul
Author: "Michael Stewart" <mstewartga@...> Time: Mon Mar 8, 2004 3:55 pm PST Link
Although I do not participate in the noise generally, I would argue
that is is a discussion group, not a questions and answers group.
This is in fact a place for open discussions and debates to take
place on the topics of group interest.
Human nature quickly turn Q&A into thoughtful discussions. Its the
nature of the beast.
Mike
Group Moderator
--- In vansairforce@yahoogroups.com, "Bob Collins" <bcollins@m...>
wrote:
> Just a minor request in the interest of keeping a tidy inbox and
> list.
>
> Some questions posted here are requests for information. They're
> usually very directly answered and are very helpful.
>
> Some questions are posed to win an argument. They usually lead to
> about a two-week exchange in which nothing is settled (nobody
> ever "wins" an argument on the Internet<g>.) and it makes it really
> tough to find the good information through the noise.
>
> To the extent that you're trying to help builders, thanks. It seems
> to me on some issues, however that a phonecall to a company you may
> be questioning might yield the answers in a more efficient manner,
> keep the signal-to-noise ratio down, and you can then post the
> answers here.
>
> Everybody wins.
>
> Just a thought.
>
> Bob
> St. Paul
Author: "Bob Collins" <bcollins@...> Time: Mon Mar 8, 2004 6:28 pm PST Link
Sure, I agree. It is a discussion group. But in court when a
prosecutor and a witness go at it, they're not really having
a "discussion" even though one is asking a question and the other is
answering them. What it is, basically, is rhetorical combat.
That's my point. If the idea is legitimately to get answers to
questions one doesn't know, let it fly. No problem. OTOH, if what
we're looking at is a campaign between rivals, I'm not sure what the
point of the exercise is.
There are some cases where an Internet bulletin board is tremendously helpful. OTOH, picking up the phone and calling the other person and going back and forth would seem like an effective way to get the answers.
But, I don't think that's what the engine thread is about.
Bob
St. Paul (also a moderator)
--- In vansairforce@yahoogroups.com, "Michael Stewart"
<mstewartga@y...> wrote:
> Although I do not participate in the noise generally, I would
argue
> that is is a discussion group, not a questions and answers group.
> This is in fact a place for open discussions and debates to take
> place on the topics of group interest.
> Human nature quickly turn Q&A into thoughtful discussions. Its the
> nature of the beast.
> Mike
> Group Moderator
> --- In vansairforce@yahoogroups.com, "Bob Collins" <bcollins@m...>
> wrote:
> > Just a minor request in the interest of keeping a tidy inbox and
> > list.
> >
> > Some questions posted here are requests for information. They're
> > usually very directly answered and are very helpful.
> >
> > Some questions are posed to win an argument. They usually lead
to
> > about a two-week exchange in which nothing is settled (nobody
> > ever "wins" an argument on the Internet<g>.) and it makes it
really
> > tough to find the good information through the noise.
> >
> > To the extent that you're trying to help builders, thanks. It
seems
> > to me on some issues, however that a phonecall to a company you
may
> > be questioning might yield the answers in a more efficient
manner,
> > keep the signal-to-noise ratio down, and you can then post the
> > answers here.
> >
> > Everybody wins.
> >
> > Just a thought.
> >
> > Bob
> > St. Paul
Author: "JAMES BOWEN" <jabowenjr@...> Time: Tue Mar 9, 2004 3:14 am PST Link
Oh come on. I've been monitoring 4 of the lists for more than 2 years now. I
read most of the posts. I enjoy the exchanges. If you don't want to read all
of it, use discretion. It's not that hard. It's kind of like the TV, you can
always turn it off. I start my day with a cup of coffee and the lists.
Wouldn't have it any other way.
Jim Bowen
RV-QB
>From: "Bob Collins" <bcollins@...>
>Reply-To: vansairforce@yahoogroups.com
>To: vansairforce@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: [VAF Mailing List] Minor request
>Date: Mon, 08 Mar 2004 23:27:27 -0000
>
>Just a minor request in the interest of keeping a tidy inbox and
>list.
>
>Some questions posted here are requests for information. They're
>usually very directly answered and are very helpful.
>
>Some questions are posed to win an argument. They usually lead to
>about a two-week exchange in which nothing is settled (nobody
>ever "wins" an argument on the Internet<g>.) and it makes it really
>tough to find the good information through the noise.
>
>To the extent that you're trying to help builders, thanks. It seems
>to me on some issues, however that a phonecall to a company you may
>be questioning might yield the answers in a more efficient manner,
>keep the signal-to-noise ratio down, and you can then post the
>answers here.
>
>Everybody wins.
>
>Just a thought.
>
>Bob
>St. Paul
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Author: "Bob Collins" <bcollins@...> Time: Tue Mar 9, 2004 7:24 am PST Link
It would certainly be ironic if the message started another debate.
Like I said, it was minor rquest. Pleased the list is working for
you.
Bob
--- In vansairforce@yahoogroups.com, "JAMES BOWEN" <jabowenjr@h...>
wrote:
> Oh come on. I've been monitoring 4 of the lists for more than 2
years now. I
> read most of the posts. I enjoy the exchanges. If you don't want
to read all
> of it, use discretion. It's not that hard. It's kind of like the
TV, you can
> always turn it off. I start my day with a cup of coffee and the
lists.
> Wouldn't have it any other way.
>
> Jim Bowen
> RV-QB
> >From: "Bob Collins" <bcollins@m...>
> >Reply-To: vansairforce@yahoogroups.com
> >To: vansairforce@yahoogroups.com
> >Subject: [VAF Mailing List] Minor request
> >Date: Mon, 08 Mar 2004 23:27:27 -0000
> >
> >Just a minor request in the interest of keeping a tidy inbox and
> >list.
> >
> >Some questions posted here are requests for information. They're
> >usually very directly answered and are very helpful.
> >
> >Some questions are posed to win an argument. They usually lead to
> >about a two-week exchange in which nothing is settled (nobody
> >ever "wins" an argument on the Internet<g>.) and it makes it
really
> >tough to find the good information through the noise.
> >
> >To the extent that you're trying to help builders, thanks. It
seems
> >to me on some issues, however that a phonecall to a company you
may
> >be questioning might yield the answers in a more efficient manner,
> >keep the signal-to-noise ratio down, and you can then post the
> >answers here.
> >
> >Everybody wins.
> >
> >Just a thought.
> >
> >Bob
> >St. Paul
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