Author: "olc" <olcdlm@...> Time: Fri Mar 12, 2004 7:40 am PST Link
utilisez vous cet instrument ?
are you using this device ?
http://www.aircraftextras.com/FSensorInstall.htm
qu'en pensez-vous ?
what do you think about this ?
Thank's
Olivier LC
France
ICQ#: 82067330
olcdlm@...
http://perso.wanadoo.fr/sanglier.volant/ Van's RV-8 n°81939 wings
Author: Mike Thompson <grobdriver@...> Time: Fri Mar 12, 2004 7:53 am PST Link
--- olc <olcdlm@...> wrote:
> utilisez vous cet instrument ?
> are you using this device ?
> http://www.aircraftextras.com/FSensorInstall.htm
> qu'en pensez-vous ?
> what do you think about this ?
More expense, something else to break, a use of precious panel space
and another place for a fuel leak to develop.
Good ol' analog fuel guages work. Mark a red line at 1/4 full for a
"Low Fuel Alert".
My 2 cents worth.
- Mike
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Austin, TX, USA
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Author: "ahyuprv9" <ifr@...> Time: Fri Mar 12, 2004 8:42 am PST Link
> are you using this device ?
> http://www.aircraftextras.com/FSensorInstall.htm
> qu'en pensez-vous ?
> what do you think about this ?
Number one reason for falling out of the sky is lack of fuel, or "fuel mismanagment"
A little light thingy would be cheap insurance. I Plan on ordering one soon.
Warren
90454 Tanks
http://ahyup.com
Author: "olc" <olcdlm@...> Time: Fri Mar 12, 2004 11:25 am PST Link
thank's i think you are right KISS keep it simple stupid !
Olivier LC
France
ICQ#: 82067330
olcdlm@...
http://perso.wanadoo.fr/sanglier.volant/ Van's RV-8 n?81939 wings
-----Message d'origine-----
De : Mike Thompson [mailto:grobdriver@...]
Envoye : vendredi 12 mars 2004 16:50
A : vansairforce@yahoogroups.com
Objet : Re: [VAF Mailing List] fuel warning level
--- olc <olcdlm@...> wrote:
> utilisez vous cet instrument ?
> are you using this device ?
> http://www.aircraftextras.com/FSensorInstall.htm
> qu'en pensez-vous ?
> what do you think about this ?
More expense, something else to break, a use of precious panel space
and another place for a fuel leak to develop.
Good ol' analog fuel guages work. Mark a red line at 1/4 full for a
"Low Fuel Alert".
My 2 cents worth.
- Mike
=====
Michael E. Thompson (Grobdriver@...)
Austin, TX, USA
RV-6 N140RV, FLYING!
Ex-AX1 Sub Hunter, P-3 (B/B-TACMOD/C) Orion Aircrew,
PP-G,ASEL, Motorglider Driver and Unlimited Air Race Nut!
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Author: "Scott Achelis" <Achelis1@...> Time: Fri Mar 12, 2004 3:13 pm PST Link
I used an earlier version w/ small cork "floats" from A/C Spruce. The
warning lights started flashing (as fuel level sloshed in flight) at about
1/2 full level. Warning indicators quit flashing, and stayed on solid at
about 1/8th tank. I disconnected system... not a good idea to learn to
ignore flashing warning lights!
Scott RV6-A
N-95RV CCR
>From: "ahyuprv9" <ifr@...>
>Reply-To: vansairforce@yahoogroups.com
>To: vansairforce@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: [VAF Mailing List] Re: fuel warning level
>Date: Fri, 12 Mar 2004 16:33:02 -0000
>
> > are you using this device ?
> > http://www.aircraftextras.com/FSensorInstall.htm
> > qu'en pensez-vous ?
> > what do you think about this ?
>
>Number one reason for falling out of the sky is lack of fuel, or "fuel
>mismanagment"
>A little light thingy would be cheap insurance. I Plan on ordering one
>soon.
>
>Warren
>90454 Tanks
>http://ahyup.com
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Author: Ron Lee <ronlee@...> Time: Fri Mar 12, 2004 7:38 pm PST Link
People can use whatever they think improves safety. However,
I have recently run my tanks dry (in flight) to check gauge accuracy
and Rocky Mountain monitor "Fuel Remaining" accuracy.
I can't imagine running out of fuel.
BTW, ran the left tank dry yesterday (second time on that side) and
filled it with 19 gallons today...total for the two sides. Thus I had
easily one hour of fuel remaining at higher than normal power setting.
So now I can get closer to empty knowing how much fuel I really have.
Ron Lee
Author: Ron Lee <ronlee@...> Time: Fri Mar 12, 2004 8:22 pm PST Link
Should have said 30 gallons total for both sides.
>BTW, ran the left tank dry yesterday (second time on that side) and
>filled it with 19 gallons today...total for the two sides. Thus I had
>easily one hour of fuel remaining at higher than normal power setting.
>
>So now I can get closer to empty knowing how much fuel I really have.
>
>Ron Lee
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Author: Paul Besing <pbesing@...> Time: Sat Mar 13, 2004 5:30 am PST Link
In the Army we have to do fuel consumption checks. If
there is a leak in your system, you will be able to
tell by an abnormal fuel consumption rate. You will
calculate how long you have until your reserve, and
finally to burn out, so there is no questions about
having enough fuel.
Personally, I think a low fuel system is a replacement
for good pilot habits. If you plan, plan, and plan,
you will NEVER run out of fuel. There really is no
excuse for running out of fuel, for that matter, or
having a system to tell you that you are running low.
My vote is put a guage in, use some pilot skills and
execute proper fuel management, and you will save
yourself work, cost, and ultimately your life or
aircraft.
Paul Besing
--- olc <olcdlm@...> wrote:
> thank's i think you are right KISS keep it simple
> stupid !
> Olivier LC
> France
> ICQ#: 82067330
> olcdlm@...
> http://perso.wanadoo.fr/sanglier.volant/ Van's RV-8
> n?81939 wings
>
> -----Message d'origine-----
> De : Mike Thompson [mailto:grobdriver@...]
> Envoye : vendredi 12 mars 2004 16:50
> A : vansairforce@yahoogroups.com
> Objet : Re: [VAF Mailing List] fuel warning level
> --- olc <olcdlm@...> wrote:
> > utilisez vous cet instrument ?
> > are you using this device ?
> > http://www.aircraftextras.com/FSensorInstall.htm
> > qu'en pensez-vous ?
> > what do you think about this ?
>
> More expense, something else to break, a use of
> precious panel space
> and another place for a fuel leak to develop.
>
> Good ol' analog fuel guages work. Mark a red line
> at 1/4 full for a
> "Low Fuel Alert".
>
> My 2 cents worth.
>
> - Mike
> =====
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> Austin, TX, USA
> RV-6 N140RV, FLYING!
> Ex-AX1 Sub Hunter, P-3 (B/B-TACMOD/C) Orion Aircrew,
> PP-G,ASEL, Motorglider Driver and Unlimited Air Race
> Nut!
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Author: Mike Thompson <grobdriver@...> Time: Sat Mar 13, 2004 5:55 am PST Link
--- Ron Lee <ronlee@...> wrote:
> Should have said 30 gallons total for both sides.
:)
Wanna try for 38?
I, likewise, have run my tanks dry - was surprised at the 5 and 7
minute run time after the gauge stopped wiggling (hit "E").
I guess that'll be my absolute, last ditch, get-the-most-out-the-tank
level.
What was more surprising was that the tanks took 19 gallons afterwords!
I had thought they held 18.5 gallons each.
And this reveals nearly no unusable fuel - everything that goes in can
come out to the engine! Excellent!
Still don't have my RMI fuel totalizer zeroed in - but then I don't
plan to count on it, anyway.
- Mike
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Author: Ron Lee <ronlee@...> Time: Sat Mar 13, 2004 7:51 am PST Link
>> > Should have said 30 gallons total for both sides.
>>
>>:)
>>Wanna try for 38?
Hopefully this is really clear. I ran the left tank dry. Added 19 gallons
to the left tank. At the same filling, I added 11 gallons to the right tank
for a total of 30 gallons.
I am not brave (stupid) enough to run BOTH tanks dry in flight to verify
capacity. I do them one at a time. The one time I ran the right tank dry
it also took 19 gallons...so yes, if both tanks are empty you could add
38 gallons.
As far as the original post, because of my gauges and RMI monitor and
in-flight verification of gauge accuracy (if you can believe gauges), I would
not add the warning system mentioned. Plus there are non-instrument
methods such as time of flight at known power setting (fuel flow) that serve
as a backup. If in doubt, I get "nervous" and land and refuel.
Ron Lee
Author: Sam Buchanan <sbuc@...> Time: Sat Mar 13, 2004 7:51 am PST Link
Mike Thompson wrote:
> Still don't have my RMI fuel totalizer zeroed in - but then I don't
> plan to count on it, anyway.
But once you get it calibrated, you will be amazed at how accurate it is!
I have the RMI totalizer in the uMonitor, and the EI fuel gage driven
with the standard float senders. It is uncanny how closely the two
systems agree when it is time to refuel, usually within a gallon total
fuel load.
I have a confession to make; in spite of all admonitions to use a clock
to calculate fuel remaining, I have come to, uh, *trust* the combination
of RMI and EI gage. As long as they agree with each other, I use them
for monitoring remaining fuel. Of course, a timer is also reset when the
tanks are topped off, but the totalizer and gage have become the method
of choice for watching the fuel level.
If a system works well, works consistently, and works reliably, I will
use it, in spite of traditions inspired by unreliable gages in spam cans.
But then.....I'm the guy who doesn't have any "real" instruments in his
plane...... ;-)
Sam Buchanan (RV-6, 552 hrs)
http://thervjournal.com
Author: dougpsr@... Time: Sun Mar 14, 2004 8:21 am PST Link
Hi Ron. How is it going? Spring is coming and looking forward to lots of
flying. Are u coming to SnF? I plan to go April 16-19.
Did u add a remote oil filter? If so, who's and cost, etc.
Blue skies.
Doug
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Author: "Randy Lervold" <randy@...> Time: Sun Mar 14, 2004 12:29 pm PST Link
Sam, ditto your thoughts and habits exactly. I also reset my GPS flight time recorder each time I fill up so I really have three data sources.
Randy Lervold
RV-8, 368 hrs, sold
RV-3B, starting construction
----- Original Message -----
From: Sam Buchanan
To: vansairforce@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, March 13, 2004 7:38 AM
Subject: Re: [VAF Mailing List] fuel warning level
Mike Thompson wrote:
> Still don't have my RMI fuel totalizer zeroed in - but then I don't
> plan to count on it, anyway.
But once you get it calibrated, you will be amazed at how accurate it is!
I have the RMI totalizer in the uMonitor, and the EI fuel gage driven
with the standard float senders. It is uncanny how closely the two
systems agree when it is time to refuel, usually within a gallon total
fuel load.
I have a confession to make; in spite of all admonitions to use a clock
to calculate fuel remaining, I have come to, uh, *trust* the combination
of RMI and EI gage. As long as they agree with each other, I use them
for monitoring remaining fuel. Of course, a timer is also reset when the
tanks are topped off, but the totalizer and gage have become the method
of choice for watching the fuel level.
If a system works well, works consistently, and works reliably, I will
use it, in spite of traditions inspired by unreliable gages in spam cans.
But then.....I'm the guy who doesn't have any "real" instruments in his
plane...... ;-)
Sam Buchanan (RV-6, 552 hrs)
http://thervjournal.com
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