Author: luckymacy@... Time: Sun Dec 26, 2004 10:07 pm PST Link
Are there special nuts I should be using for stuff like on the Adel clamps FWF? Are the nylon lock nuts taboo FWF?
I notice in a couple of kits I got for FWF related stuff they used different style nuts but one thing they all did NOT have in common was nylon inserts.
Thanks,
lucky
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Author: Jeff Point <jpoint@...> Time: Mon Dec 27, 2004 6:41 am PST Link
Yes. AN363 metal lock nuts, available at any source for AN hardware.
Jeff
> Are there special nuts I should be using for stuff like on the Adel
> clamps FWF? Are the nylon lock nuts taboo FWF?
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Author: "Richard & Roberta Hegy" <rhegy@...> Time: Mon Dec 27, 2004 8:00 am PST Link
Any lock nut forward of the firewall (under the cowl) should be an all steel lock nut. There are some in the hardware in the kit, or you can order more from suppliers.
Roberta
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Subject: [VAF Mailing List] special FWF nuts?
Are there special nuts I should be using for stuff like on the Adel clamps FWF? Are the nylon lock nuts taboo FWF?
I notice in a couple of kits I got for FWF related stuff they used different style nuts but one thing they all did NOT have in common was nylon inserts.
Thanks,
lucky
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Author: Paul Besing <pbesing@...> Time: Mon Dec 27, 2004 6:42 am PST Link
Yes, you need to use non-nyloc nuts up front. There
are special locknuts that are for the FWF area. They
are a regular nut with a tapered round area to them to
lock them in place.
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--- luckymacy@comcast.net wrote:
> Are there special nuts I should be using for stuff
> like on the Adel clamps FWF? Are the nylon lock
> nuts taboo FWF?
>
> I notice in a couple of kits I got for FWF related
> stuff they used different style nuts but one thing
> they all did NOT have in common was nylon inserts.
>
> Thanks,
> lucky
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been
> removed]
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Author: luckymacy@... Time: Mon Dec 27, 2004 8:21 am PST Link
I just dug out my obviously seldomed used Standard Aircraft Handbook for mechanics and technicians. Pg. 143 says a high temp self locking nut should be use for areas ABOVE 250 degrees F. The nylon or fiber insert lock nuts are for applications below 250.
So what's the temp of and around the engine mount where I want to clamp wires to the mount? I'll bet it's below 250 unless there's a damn fire going on up there.
As for Van's kits, there are no references to AN363 in the on-line bag contents files other than in the finish kit and those 2 are being referenced as being replaced by a DIFFERENT nut alltogether!
BAG 914-3 GEAR LEG HARDWARE
2.000 NUT 1/4-20 SELF LOCK REPLACES: AN363-420 0.10
There are 4 MS21042 nuts in the fuse kit. Two -3 in bag 852 and two -4 in bag 887. Not going to cut it.
Oh well, annoying but not unexpected. Hopefully a local car shop sells something similar if I decide to go the all metal way today...
Lucky
-------------- Original message --------------
> Any lock nut forward of the firewall (under the cowl) should be an all steel
> lock nut. There are some in the hardware in the kit, or you can order more from
> suppliers.
>
> Roberta
> ----- Original Message -----
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> Sent: Sunday, December 26, 2004 9:59 PM
> Subject: [VAF Mailing List] special FWF nuts?
> Are there special nuts I should be using for stuff like on the Adel clamps
> FWF? Are the nylon lock nuts taboo FWF?
>
> I notice in a couple of kits I got for FWF related stuff they used different
> style nuts but one thing they all did NOT have in common was nylon inserts.
>
> Thanks,
> lucky
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Author: Walter Tondu <walter@...> Time: Mon Dec 27, 2004 9:07 am PST Link
This is what I'm using.
http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/hapages/an363.php
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Author: "Dave White" <talewinds@...> Time: Mon Dec 27, 2004 11:42 am PST Link
Lucky:
Do yourself a favor and use high temp self locking nuts fwf anyway. It may
not normally be 250 degrees up there, but fly in some 100 degree temps, and
I'd bet it's at least 250 up there then. At any rate, it's cheap insurance.
Why take a chance? Happy New Year.
Dave White
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Subject: Re: [VAF Mailing List] special FWF nuts?
> I just dug out my obviously seldomed used Standard Aircraft Handbook for
> mechanics and technicians. Pg. 143 says a high temp self locking nut
> should be use for areas ABOVE 250 degrees F. The nylon or fiber insert
> lock nuts are for applications below 250.
>
> So what's the temp of and around the engine mount where I want to clamp
> wires to the mount? I'll bet it's below 250 unless there's a damn fire
> going on up there.
>
> As for Van's kits, there are no references to AN363 in the on-line bag
> contents files other than in the finish kit and those 2 are being
> referenced as being replaced by a DIFFERENT nut alltogether!
>
> BAG 914-3 GEAR LEG HARDWARE
> 2.000 NUT 1/4-20 SELF LOCK REPLACES: AN363-420 0.10
>
> There are 4 MS21042 nuts in the fuse kit. Two -3 in bag 852 and two -4 in
> bag 887. Not going to cut it.
>
> Oh well, annoying but not unexpected. Hopefully a local car shop sells
> something similar if I decide to go the all metal way today...
>
> Lucky
> -------------- Original message --------------
>> Any lock nut forward of the firewall (under the cowl) should be an all
>> steel
>> lock nut. There are some in the hardware in the kit, or you can order
>> more from
>> suppliers.
>>
>> Roberta
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: luckymacy@comcast.net
>> To: RV-List ; RV yahoo
>> Sent: Sunday, December 26, 2004 9:59 PM
>> Subject: [VAF Mailing List] special FWF nuts?
>> Are there special nuts I should be using for stuff like on the Adel
>> clamps
>> FWF? Are the nylon lock nuts taboo FWF?
>>
>> I notice in a couple of kits I got for FWF related stuff they used
>> different
>> style nuts but one thing they all did NOT have in common was nylon
>> inserts.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> lucky
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Author: "Bob Di Meo" <r.dimeo@...> Time: Wed Dec 29, 2004 9:35 am PST Link
Lucky,
Standard practice is to use "heat nuts" in the engine compartment unless you're inside the baffle area where air temps keep things relatively cool.
Bob
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Subject: Re: [VAF Mailing List] special FWF nuts?
I just dug out my obviously seldomed used Standard Aircraft Handbook for mechanics and technicians. Pg. 143 says a high temp self locking nut should be use for areas ABOVE 250 degrees F. The nylon or fiber insert lock nuts are for applications below 250.
So what's the temp of and around the engine mount where I want to clamp wires to the mount? I'll bet it's below 250 unless there's a damn fire going on up there.
As for Van's kits, there are no references to AN363 in the on-line bag contents files other than in the finish kit and those 2 are being referenced as being replaced by a DIFFERENT nut alltogether!
BAG 914-3 GEAR LEG HARDWARE
2.000 NUT 1/4-20 SELF LOCK REPLACES: AN363-420 0.10
There are 4 MS21042 nuts in the fuse kit. Two -3 in bag 852 and two -4 in bag 887. Not going to cut it.
Oh well, annoying but not unexpected. Hopefully a local car shop sells something similar if I decide to go the all metal way today...
Lucky
-------------- Original message --------------
> Any lock nut forward of the firewall (under the cowl) should be an all steel
> lock nut. There are some in the hardware in the kit, or you can order more from
> suppliers.
>
> Roberta
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: luckymacy@comcast.net
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> Sent: Sunday, December 26, 2004 9:59 PM
> Subject: [VAF Mailing List] special FWF nuts?
> Are there special nuts I should be using for stuff like on the Adel clamps
> FWF? Are the nylon lock nuts taboo FWF?
>
> I notice in a couple of kits I got for FWF related stuff they used different
> style nuts but one thing they all did NOT have in common was nylon inserts.
>
> Thanks,
> lucky
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