Author: "dan_e_root" <root1@...> Time: Mon Aug 29, 2005 5:29 pm PDT Link
In vansairforce@yahoogroups.com, Gary Dunfee <garydunfee2003@y...> wrote:
> That is NOT a telephone cord! Don't make my mistake and replace it
>with a shorter telephone cord. It's wired as an "instrument" cord,
>different. A telephone cord will make your ELT transmit any time it's
>turned on.
While I respect that Gary's experience is exactly as he stated, not
knowing what Gary did exactly with his ELT remote switch and the
cable, I cannot comment on it per se, but offer the following:
FWIW, I have just returned minutes ago from ACK Technologies in San
Jose after picking up a replacement panel monitor for my own ACK ELT.
Because mine is a used ELT from a scrap dealer, it came without the
panel switch or remote cable. Having previously read Gary's comment
about the cable, and being a curious fellow, I specifically asked the
OWNER of ACK Technologies which cable to use. Upon inspection of his
cables, I remarked that they look like a 4 conductor line extension.
He replied that they indeed were just that, and are available at fine
phone supply stores everywhere. He further stated that anyone with a
modular terminal crimper can make one. One needs to start with a 4
wire line cable. When crimping, be sure to orient the terminals such
that at one end the black wire is to the left, and on the other end it
goes to the right (just like it says on the instructions that came
with my crimping tool). This insures that the wire colors remain
constant.
The foregoing notwithstanding, I must confess that having just
returned from ACK, I've not had time to install nor test my new remote
switch. Therefore I stand ready learn that Gary is a hundred per cent
dead on target, and hence be lambasted for my gross impertinence...
(I wonder if the etymology of the word lambast, has anything to do
with food preparation - a little lambasted with mint jelly, some fava
beans, and a nice bottle of chianti...)
I'll try to remember to close this thought out tomorrow, once I test
the fool switch.
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Author: "jacklockamy" <jacklockamy@...> Time: Mon Aug 29, 2005 7:36 pm PDT Link
FWIW.... I had the same experience as Gary. I thought the cable from the
ELT to the remote panel mount was a standard 'phone cord'. IT IS NOT! The
connector on one end is 'turned-over' (backwards from use as a phone
extension/cord). You CAN use a standard phone cord IF you cut off one end,
buy a new RJ-11 connector and crimping tool (Radio Shack) and install it
exactly opposite of your standard phone cord connector.
The mistake cost me $168...... I sent my ELT back to the manufacturer and
they proceeded to bull$%#t me by telling me it cost that much to "test" and
inspect the ELT and then informed me the ELT was fine. Hard lesson to learn
and I wish someone had shared this 'backwards phone connector' info with me
first.
Jack
----- Original Message -----
From: "dan_e_root" <root1@llnl.gov>
To: <vansairforce@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Monday, August 29, 2005 1:27 PM
Subject: Re: [VAF Mailing List] ELT install
> In vansairforce@yahoogroups.com, Gary Dunfee <garydunfee2003@y...> wrote:
>> That is NOT a telephone cord! Don't make my mistake and replace it
>>with a shorter telephone cord. It's wired as an "instrument" cord,
>>different. A telephone cord will make your ELT transmit any time it's
>>turned on.
>
> While I respect that Gary's experience is exactly as he stated, not
> knowing what Gary did exactly with his ELT remote switch and the
> cable, I cannot comment on it per se, but offer the following:
>
> FWIW, I have just returned minutes ago from ACK Technologies in San
> Jose after picking up a replacement panel monitor for my own ACK ELT.
> Because mine is a used ELT from a scrap dealer, it came without the
> panel switch or remote cable. Having previously read Gary's comment
> about the cable, and being a curious fellow, I specifically asked the
> OWNER of ACK Technologies which cable to use. Upon inspection of his
> cables, I remarked that they look like a 4 conductor line extension.
> He replied that they indeed were just that, and are available at fine
> phone supply stores everywhere. He further stated that anyone with a
> modular terminal crimper can make one. One needs to start with a 4
> wire line cable. When crimping, be sure to orient the terminals such
> that at one end the black wire is to the left, and on the other end it
> goes to the right (just like it says on the instructions that came
> with my crimping tool). This insures that the wire colors remain
> constant.
>
> The foregoing notwithstanding, I must confess that having just
> returned from ACK, I've not had time to install nor test my new remote
> switch. Therefore I stand ready learn that Gary is a hundred per cent
> dead on target, and hence be lambasted for my gross impertinence...
>
> (I wonder if the etymology of the word lambast, has anything to do
> with food preparation - a little lambasted with mint jelly, some fava
> beans, and a nice bottle of chianti...)
> I'll try to remember to close this thought out tomorrow, once I test
> the fool switch.
> Online help on this group at:
> http://help.yahoo.com/help/groups/
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
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Author: "Scott Chastain" <shophead@...> Time: Tue Aug 30, 2005 12:05 am PDT Link
I went with the Artex ELT, the lightest model out there, and over
the weekend I wired up the harness. It's a simple matter of running
four AWG22 wires up to the panel, soldering the connections at the
transmitter connection, and crimping 4 Molex pins at the panel. The
only down side to the Artex is having to either 1) purchase a new
battery pack every two years, or 2) fabricating your own battery
pack, which I will be doing. Opening it up, one finds nothing more
than a bunch of 9-volts wired up in series, or so I've heard. No
biggy.
Scott Chastain
N898W Reserved
Wiring
--- In vansairforce@yahoogroups.com, "jacklockamy"
<jacklockamy@v...> wrote:
> FWIW.... I had the same experience as Gary. I thought the cable
from the
> ELT to the remote panel mount was a standard 'phone cord'. IT IS
NOT! The
> connector on one end is 'turned-over' (backwards from use as a
phone
> extension/cord). You CAN use a standard phone cord IF you cut off
one end,
> buy a new RJ-11 connector and crimping tool (Radio Shack) and
install it
> exactly opposite of your standard phone cord connector.
>
> The mistake cost me $168...... I sent my ELT back to the
manufacturer and
> they proceeded to bull$%#t me by telling me it cost that much
to "test" and
> inspect the ELT and then informed me the ELT was fine. Hard
lesson to learn
> and I wish someone had shared this 'backwards phone connector'
info with me
> first.
>
> Jack
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "dan_e_root" <root1@l...>
> To: <vansairforce@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Monday, August 29, 2005 1:27 PM
> Subject: Re: [VAF Mailing List] ELT install
> > In vansairforce@yahoogroups.com, Gary Dunfee
<garydunfee2003@y...> wrote:
> >> That is NOT a telephone cord! Don't make my mistake and replace
it
> >>with a shorter telephone cord. It's wired as an "instrument"
cord,
> >>different. A telephone cord will make your ELT transmit any time
it's
> >>turned on.
> >
> > While I respect that Gary's experience is exactly as he stated,
not
> > knowing what Gary did exactly with his ELT remote switch and the
> > cable, I cannot comment on it per se, but offer the following:
> >
> > FWIW, I have just returned minutes ago from ACK Technologies in
San
> > Jose after picking up a replacement panel monitor for my own ACK
ELT.
> > Because mine is a used ELT from a scrap dealer, it came without
the
> > panel switch or remote cable. Having previously read Gary's
comment
> > about the cable, and being a curious fellow, I specifically
asked the
> > OWNER of ACK Technologies which cable to use. Upon inspection
of his
> > cables, I remarked that they look like a 4 conductor line
extension.
> > He replied that they indeed were just that, and are available at
fine
> > phone supply stores everywhere. He further stated that anyone
with a
> > modular terminal crimper can make one. One needs to start with
a 4
> > wire line cable. When crimping, be sure to orient the terminals
such
> > that at one end the black wire is to the left, and on the other
end it
> > goes to the right (just like it says on the instructions that
came
> > with my crimping tool). This insures that the wire colors remain
> > constant.
> >
> > The foregoing notwithstanding, I must confess that having just
> > returned from ACK, I've not had time to install nor test my new
remote
> > switch. Therefore I stand ready learn that Gary is a hundred
per cent
> > dead on target, and hence be lambasted for my gross
impertinence...
> >
> > (I wonder if the etymology of the word lambast, has anything to
do
> > with food preparation - a little lambasted with mint jelly, some
fava
> > beans, and a nice bottle of chianti...)
> > I'll try to remember to close this thought out tomorrow, once I
test
> > the fool switch.
> > Online help on this group at:
> > http://help.yahoo.com/help/groups/
> >
> > Yahoo! Groups Links
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Author: "dan_e_root" <root1@...> Time: Tue Aug 30, 2005 12:47 pm PDT Link
--- In vansairforce@yahoogroups.com, "jacklockamy" <jacklockamy@v...>
wrote:
> FWIW.... I had the same experience as Gary. I thought the cable
from the
> ELT to the remote panel mount was a standard 'phone cord'. IT IS
NOT! The
> connector on one end is 'turned-over' (backwards from use as a phone
> extension/cord). You CAN use a standard phone cord IF you cut off
one end,
> buy a new RJ-11 connector and crimping tool (Radio Shack) and
install it
> exactly opposite of your standard phone cord connector.
>
> The mistake cost me $168...... I sent my ELT back to the
manufacturer and
> they proceeded to bull$%#t me by telling me it cost that much to
"test" and
> inspect the ELT and then informed me the ELT was fine. Hard lesson
to learn
> and I wish someone had shared this 'backwards phone connector' info
with me
> first.
>
> Jack
There it is, then. You've illustrated my point very well.
This is an assembly mistake that anyone can make. It might happen in
a production run as well, resulting in a defective product being sold,
and you or me ending up with it. It's an easy fix, though. clip off
the end and crimp on a new terminal configured properly.
During the assembly process it's important to verify that the circuits
have not been "crossed". To visualize, lay out or imagine two short
pieces of four conductor phone cable laid out end to end, and look at
the ends butted up against each other from above. Lay them out so that
the colored wires match up top to bottom. Simple. However, if you
insert one end of each cable into a terminal connectors, the top wire
will be on the left in one connector, and on the right in the other,
because you're working with cable ends that are 180 degrees in opposition.
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Author: "Cary Rhodes" <rhodeseng@...> Time: Tue Aug 30, 2005 6:52 pm PDT Link
FWIW department
I didn't install the remote indicator at all, and the dar didn't have
an issue with it.
As long as the elt is not complete hidden/covered/behind a panel.
Mine is mounted on the side wall of the baggage area.
cary rhodes
--- In vansairforce@yahoogroups.com, "dan_e_root" <root1@l...> wrote:
> --- In vansairforce@yahoogroups.com, "jacklockamy"
<jacklockamy@v...>
> wrote:
> > FWIW.... I had the same experience as Gary. I thought the cable
> from the
> > ELT to the remote panel mount was a standard 'phone cord'. IT IS
> NOT! The
> > connector on one end is 'turned-over' (backwards from use as a
phone
> > extension/cord). You CAN use a standard phone cord IF you cut off
> one end,
> > buy a new RJ-11 connector and crimping tool (Radio Shack) and
> install it
> > exactly opposite of your standard phone cord connector.
> >
> > The mistake cost me $168...... I sent my ELT back to the
> manufacturer and
> > they proceeded to bull$%#t me by telling me it cost that much to
> "test" and
> > inspect the ELT and then informed me the ELT was fine. Hard
lesson
> to learn
> > and I wish someone had shared this 'backwards phone connector'
info
> with me
> > first.
> >
> > Jack
> There it is, then. You've illustrated my point very well.
> This is an assembly mistake that anyone can make. It might happen
in
> a production run as well, resulting in a defective product being
sold,
> and you or me ending up with it. It's an easy fix, though. clip
off
> the end and crimp on a new terminal configured properly.
>
> During the assembly process it's important to verify that the
circuits
> have not been "crossed". To visualize, lay out or imagine two short
> pieces of four conductor phone cable laid out end to end, and look
at
> the ends butted up against each other from above. Lay them out so
that
> the colored wires match up top to bottom. Simple. However, if you
> insert one end of each cable into a terminal connectors, the top
wire
> will be on the left in one connector, and on the right in the other,
> because you're working with cable ends that are 180 degrees in
opposition.
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Author: "dan_e_root" <root1@...> Time: Thu Sep 1, 2005 12:28 pm PDT Link
Just to confirm, close out, and let this dead horse R.I.P, I finished
my installation of my salvaged ACK ELT, complete with remote panel
test switch last night. It works great, and I used an ordinary
telephone four connector extension line from K-MART for the long run
to the panel.
So if you installed yours using phone cable, and it fires up your ELT
full time, check to see if your cable's been rotated.
--- In vansairforce@yahoogroups.com, "Cary Rhodes" <rhodeseng@y...> wrote:
> FWIW department
>
> I didn't install the remote indicator at all, and the dar didn't have
> an issue with it.
>
> As long as the elt is not complete hidden/covered/behind a panel.
>
> Mine is mounted on the side wall of the baggage area.
>
> cary rhodes
> --- In vansairforce@yahoogroups.com, "dan_e_root" <root1@l...> wrote:
> > --- In vansairforce@yahoogroups.com, "jacklockamy"
> <jacklockamy@v...>
> > wrote:
> > > FWIW.... I had the same experience as Gary. I thought the cable
> > from the
> > > ELT to the remote panel mount was a standard 'phone cord'. IT IS
> > NOT! The
> > > connector on one end is 'turned-over' (backwards from use as a
> phone
> > > extension/cord). You CAN use a standard phone cord IF you cut off
> > one end,
> > > buy a new RJ-11 connector and crimping tool (Radio Shack) and
> > install it
> > > exactly opposite of your standard phone cord connector.
> > >
> > > The mistake cost me $168...... I sent my ELT back to the
> > manufacturer and
> > > they proceeded to bull$%#t me by telling me it cost that much to
> > "test" and
> > > inspect the ELT and then informed me the ELT was fine. Hard
> lesson
> > to learn
> > > and I wish someone had shared this 'backwards phone connector'
> info
> > with me
> > > first.
> > >
> > > Jack
> > There it is, then. You've illustrated my point very well.
> > This is an assembly mistake that anyone can make. It might happen
> in
> > a production run as well, resulting in a defective product being
> sold,
> > and you or me ending up with it. It's an easy fix, though. clip
> off
> > the end and crimp on a new terminal configured properly.
> >
> > During the assembly process it's important to verify that the
> circuits
> > have not been "crossed". To visualize, lay out or imagine two short
> > pieces of four conductor phone cable laid out end to end, and look
> at
> > the ends butted up against each other from above. Lay them out so
> that
> > the colored wires match up top to bottom. Simple. However, if you
> > insert one end of each cable into a terminal connectors, the top
> wire
> > will be on the left in one connector, and on the right in the other,
> > because you're working with cable ends that are 180 degrees in
> opposition.
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